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View mattteo's Profile mattteo Flag 09 Aug 19 6.03am Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Squad looks like this:

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I suspect Riedewald might stil go on loan to the Eredivisie, where the window hasn't closed yet.

There are 2 competing for RB: Ward and Kelly

4 CBs: Tomkins (curently injured), Sakho, Cahill, Dann

2 LBs (if we count Schlupp): PVA, Schlupp

4CMs: Milivojevic, Kouyate, Camarasa, McCarthy

4 offensive players centrally (as Roy likes to use Zaha there and there really aren't good options except for him): Zaha, Benteke, Jordan Ayew, Wickham

4 players remaining for the sides of the pitch: now if Andros and Schlupp are used to playing there, I can't say that these are the most usual positions for Meyer and Jimmy McArthur. They are more used to playing centrally.

But with 2 new central midfielders (Camarasa and McCarthy) coming in and Milivojevic and Kouyate still at the club, neither Meyer nor McArthur have room centrally anymore.

Even if you change formation and play a 3-4-3 or a different system (though the backline players don't seem to apply to that either), you still have too many central misfielders.

Do you guys think Macca and Meyer will be adequate the entire season in a side position or as backup for Townsend and Schlupp?

Edited by mattteo (09 Aug 2019 6.05am)

 

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View Petereagle's Profile Petereagle Flag Brockley 09 Aug 19 6.46am Send a Private Message to Petereagle Add Petereagle as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo

Squad looks like this:

[Link]

I suspect Riedewald might stil go on loan to the Eredivisie, where the window hasn't closed yet.

There are 2 competing for RB: Ward and Kelly

4 CBs: Tomkins (curently injured), Sakho, Cahill, Dann

2 LBs (if we count Schlupp): PVA, Schlupp

4CMs: Milivojevic, Kouyate, Camarasa, McCarthy

4 offensive players centrally (as Roy likes to use Zaha there and there really aren't good options except for him): Zaha, Benteke, Jordan Ayew, Wickham

4 players remaining for the sides of the pitch: now if Andros and Schlupp are used to playing there, I can't say that these are the most usual positions for Meyer and Jimmy McArthur. They are more used to playing centrally.

But with 2 new central midfielders (Camarasa and McCarthy) coming in and Milivojevic and Kouyate still at the club, neither Meyer nor McArthur have room centrally anymore.

Even if you change formation and play a 3-4-3 or a different system (though the backline players don't seem to apply to that either), you still have too many central misfielders.

Do you guys think Macca and Meyer will be adequate the entire season in a side position or as backup for Townsend and Schlupp?

Edited by mattteo (09 Aug 2019 6.05am)

Camerasa might well be used as a wideplayer, which would free up the central midfield. I suspect Meyer will be our main attacking central midfielder with Macca as sub? I believe Sakho is still injured

 

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View mattteo's Profile mattteo Flag 09 Aug 19 7.05am Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Originally posted by Petereagle

Camerasa might well be used as a wideplayer, which would free up the central midfield. I suspect Meyer will be our main attacking central midfielder with Macca as sub? I believe Sakho is still injured

I don't think Camarasa has played more than 5 matches in his career on the wing. I don't think he can play there.

Meyer and Macca have had some success as left wing and right wing, but it remains to be seen in the long term.

The disruptive fact for the rest of the players on the pitch would be that they would deputise for Townsend and Schlupp, who are left footed players.

So, the strikers will be used to running in certain directions and spaces when the ball is at Townsend and Schlupp. They know that Townsend cuts in to the centre so the strikers might try a diagonal run towards the penalty box and they know that Schlupp is a more liniar player who will cross and will set themselves up for a cross

Having 2 right footed players like Macca and Meyer as their backups and sending them in during play (and even others like Zaha, Jordan Ayew) will mean that they will act totally opposite to Townsend and Schlupp. Meyer will be the one trying to cut inside from the left and Macca will be the liniar player.

That's disruptive for teammates.

And they can't really be moved around. Having 2 left ones (Townsend and Schlupp) and 2 right footed ones (Meyer and Jimmy Macca or Jordan Ayew) in the same position -either right midfileder or left midfielder- would have been more helpful than having one of different foot in each position.

But Schlupp can't really play as inverted winger on the right as he doesn't have the technique. Macca on the left is hard to. And Meyer on the right pretty much lacks the speed to be liniar, he's more a skillful player. Only one who can play on both sides is Townsend, both as inverted winger cutting in, dribbling and finding solutions with his technique and left winger with good crosses.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 09 Aug 19 7.30am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

Itís a conundrum as we have so many central midfield players.
Hodgson has favoured a narrow four man midfield with essentially 4 central midfield players in the past and I could see him doing this again.
The problem with this is that it doesnít give Benteke any crosses to attack thereby negating his only real strength.
With the current squad it could be argued that the best balanced team would involve reverting to the Zaha/Townsend combination up front which Hodgson used in his first season.
The midfield 4 would be made up from four of Luka,McArthur,McCarthy,Camarasa,Schlupp,Meyer and Kouyate.
Not ideal but I just canít see Benteke thriving without the crosses or fast deliveries to attack, and our approach under Hodgson tends to be methodical and pedestrian with only Zaha introducing an element of surprise.

 

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View mattteo's Profile mattteo Flag 09 Aug 19 8.15am Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Even if Roy sends in 4 central midfielders will mean that they will strech across the pitch so 2 of them will occupy the wide positions, therefore making them wide midfielders

 

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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 09 Aug 19 8.21am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

Itís a conundrum as we have so many central midfield players.
Hodgson has favoured a narrow four man midfield with essentially 4 central midfield players in the past and I could see him doing this again.
The problem with this is that it doesnít give Benteke any crosses to attack thereby negating his only real strength.
With the current squad it could be argued that the best balanced team would involve reverting to the Zaha/Townsend combination up front which Hodgson used in his first season.
The midfield 4 would be made up from four of Luka,McArthur,McCarthy,Camarasa,Schlupp,Meyer and Kouyate.
Not ideal but I just canít see Benteke thriving without the crosses or fast deliveries to attack, and our approach under Hodgson tends to be methodical and pedestrian with only Zaha introducing an element of surprise.

The problem with playing 4 central midfielders is it relies on the full backs giving the width and overlapping, ok when you have AWB, not so good with Ward/Kelly, not replacing AWB our biggest mistake.

 

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View Helmet46's Profile Helmet46 Flag Caterham 09 Aug 19 8.28am Send a Private Message to Helmet46 Add Helmet46 as a friend

As a thought, could James Daly step up into the CF role. By all accounts had a good loan, albeit Kingstonian, but the lad seems to smash goals in wherever he goes.

Are there a couple of good full back prospects in the youth ranks also?

I only try an optimistic route as I just think there must be a plan b here, or a reason that the AWB money has pretty much been held back (or gone to pay stuff elsewhere). As a fan I cannot believe that SP would risk premier league survival, as that doesnít make financial sense, so I just wonder if thereís a gem lurking at c/f and/or f/b that they feel could be the next WZ or AWB?

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 09 Aug 19 8.40am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

My choice would be for Zaha, Benteke and Townsend to play high up the field in a 4-3-3 as under Allardyce.
I would have Meyer/ Camarasa as the attacking midfielder with Luka and one other as the two sitting midfield players.
However, Hodgson wonít do this and I have to acknowledge he has more experience than me.

 

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View ARGILE OLD GEEZER's Profile ARGILE OLD GEEZER Flag PORTIMAO 09 Aug 19 8.46am Send a Private Message to ARGILE OLD GEEZER Add ARGILE OLD GEEZER as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo

I don't think Camarasa has played more than 5 matches in his career on the wing. I don't think he can play there.

Meyer and Macca have had some success as left wing and right wing, but it remains to be seen in the long term.

The disruptive fact for the rest of the players on the pitch would be that they would deputise for Townsend and Schlupp, who are left footed players.

So, the strikers will be used to running in certain directions and spaces when the ball is at Townsend and Schlupp. They know that Townsend cuts in to the centre so the strikers might try a diagonal run towards the penalty box and they know that Schlupp is a more liniar player who will cross and will set themselves up for a cross

Having 2 right footed players like Macca and Meyer as their backups and sending them in during play (and even others like Zaha, Jordan Ayew) will mean that they will act totally opposite to Townsend and Schlupp. Meyer will be the one trying to cut inside from the left and Macca will be the liniar player.

That's disruptive for teammates.

And they can't really be moved around. Having 2 left ones (Townsend and Schlupp) and 2 right footed ones (Meyer and Jimmy Macca or Jordan Ayew) in the same position -either right midfileder or left midfielder- would have been more helpful than having one of different foot in each position.

But Schlupp can't really play as inverted winger on the right as he doesn't have the technique. Macca on the left is hard to. And Meyer on the right pretty much lacks the speed to be liniar, he's more a skillful player. Only one who can play on both sides is Townsend, both as inverted winger cutting in, dribbling and finding solutions with his technique and left winger with good crosses.

You over complicate the situation, 3 will play, and 2 will be on the bench

 

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View jeeagles's Profile jeeagles Flag 09 Aug 19 9.02am Send a Private Message to jeeagles Add jeeagles as a friend

Iím not really sure if Roy knows what he wants and that lack of clarity from the leadership has affected recruitment.

Apart from Batshuyai, no player he has bought in has made it in the starting 11. Heís had 4 transfer windows now to do something.

Heís now signed 4 centre mids, a back up CB, resigned and released Sako, Sorloth and Ayew twice. He seems to have a complete reluctance to play to Bentekeís strengths, or to give Reidewald or Mayer a run in the team.

Iím not sure the board trust him with money.

 

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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 09 Aug 19 9.18am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

Iím not really sure if Roy knows what he wants and that lack of clarity from the leadership has affected recruitment.

Apart from Batshuyai, no player he has bought in has made it in the starting 11. Heís had 4 transfer windows now to do something.

Heís now signed 4 centre mids, a back up CB, resigned and released Sako, Sorloth and Ayew twice. He seems to have a complete reluctance to play to Bentekeís strengths, or to give Reidewald or Mayer a run in the team.

Iím not sure the board trust him with money.

Roy is not happy, in his last interview he was complaining that we had no options with full backs, although he painted a picture of happiness yesterday, think its just a front

 

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View Goldfiinger's Profile Goldfiinger Flag Just down the road 09 Aug 19 6.03pm Send a Private Message to Goldfiinger Add Goldfiinger as a friend

Weíve bought another attacking mid and Meyer should also be played in this position.

This leads me to believe either Meyer or Camarasa play and the other is back up.

Wilf and Andros wide front with Wickham in the middle

Luka and Kouyate holding mods.

4-2-3-1

Ward Cahil Sakho PVA

Luka Kouyate
Wilf Meyer Andros
Wickham

Then the new attacking mid to battle it out with Meyer for starting XI.
Benteke to challenge Wickham.

Apart front the RB thatís a good XI. IF Wickham can stay fit and find form.

 

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