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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 01 Sep 19 11.05am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

I've looked at the incident time and time again. If there is any contact at all it is Wilf outside the box and that is minimal. Cahill withdraws his leg before Grealish goes to ground.

What the ref saw was Grealish going down easily on 3 or more occasions during the match which probably influenced his decision to call the free kick for simulation.

It is irrelevant whether the ball goes in the net as the ref has already blown his whistle. The fact it did go into the net is why the pundits are blaming VAR for not intervening. The only time I could see VAR coming into play on this passage of play was if they could clearly see Cahill bring down Grealish which would then mean a penalty. You cannot allow a goal to stand regardless of VAR if the whistle has been blown as this signifies a stoppage in play and will have been heard by the players which then, may or may not influence how they challenge for the ball. In this instance I don't think hearing the whistle would have stopped the shot or the goal, but that is not the point, the play has been stopped.

The VAR would have reviewed the challenge by Cahill and taken the same view as the ref that he did not make contact and therefore it was a reasonable decision by the ref to blow up against Grealish for simulation.

At the end of the day this is one of those decisions that can go against you just as easily as it goes for you. I am pleased that we have had the rub of the green against both Utd and now Villa as we had our fair share of poor calls last year.

Just my take on it but I thought Lineker and Co were bang out of order on MOTD last night.

 

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View The_postman's Profile The_postman Flag Forest Row 01 Sep 19 11.11am Send a Private Message to The_postman Add The_postman as a friend

I think the ref may have been more sympathetic to Grealish if he had not spent the whole game going down theatrically at the slightest touch. Apparently he has a reputation for doing it. Shame for someone so talented.

 

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View serial thriller's Profile serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 01 Sep 19 11.11am Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Villa can feel unjust all they want, but why the feck did they bring on a striker for a midfielder when they went down to 10? To me that shows disrespect, and the fact they conceded on the counter shows how naive a decision that was.

Like Fulham They've spent loads thinking they'll walk in to the top 10. This league doesn't favour teams with that mentality, and I thought they were bang average yesterday. Had they walked away with a point it would've been a travesty.

 


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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 01 Sep 19 11.30am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by The_postman

I think the ref may have been more sympathetic to Grealish if he had not spent the whole game going down theatrically at the slightest touch. Apparently he has a reputation for doing it. Shame for someone so talented.

I thought Luca picked up a cheap booking for bringing Grealish down. Grealish leaned into Luca at which point I thought Luca should let him go as it was obvious that Grealish would then ease off and let it appear that he had been shoved to the ground. Which he did and Luca took a yellow for it.

We all know what happens when players get reputations, and Grealish is well on his way to getting one

 


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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag Sittingbourne 01 Sep 19 11.44am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

I thought Luca picked up a cheap booking for bringing Grealish down. Grealish leaned into Luca at which point I thought Luca should let him go as it was obvious that Grealish would then ease off and let it appear that he had been shoved to the ground. Which he did and Luca took a yellow for it.

We all know what happens when players get reputations, and Grealish is well on his way to getting one

I think that was a massive influence on the refs decision and so already the case. Id like to know had the whistle not gone and no goal would grealish have appealed for a pen?

Also, may obviously seem biased, given we had the majority of decisions in fast half, but I thought both Grealish and McGinn were going down far too easily all afternoon.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 01 Sep 19 11.45am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

I've looked at the incident time and time again. If there is any contact at all it is Wilf outside the box and that is minimal. Cahill withdraws his leg before Grealish goes to ground.

What the ref saw was Grealish going down easily on 3 or more occasions during the match which probably influenced his decision to call the free kick for simulation.

It is irrelevant whether the ball goes in the net as the ref has already blown his whistle. The fact it did go into the net is why the pundits are blaming VAR for not intervening. The only time I could see VAR coming into play on this passage of play was if they could clearly see Cahill bring down Grealish which would then mean a penalty. You cannot allow a goal to stand regardless of VAR if the whistle has been blown as this signifies a stoppage in play and will have been heard by the players which then, may or may not influence how they challenge for the ball. In this instance I don't think hearing the whistle would have stopped the shot or the goal, but that is not the point, the play has been stopped.

The VAR would have reviewed the challenge by Cahill and taken the same view as the ref that he did not make contact and therefore it was a reasonable decision by the ref to blow up against Grealish for simulation.

At the end of the day this is one of those decisions that can go against you just as easily as it goes for you. I am pleased that we have had the rub of the green against both Utd and now Villa as we had our fair share of poor calls last year.

Just my take on it but I thought Lineker and Co were bang out of order on MOTD last night.

Spot on. Pundits and the media really need to get over their hatred of everything VAR. Yes, it is not perfect yet but give it a chance. Haven't seen them bleating about the marginal decisions that have gone against City.
This incident has nothing to do with VAR and we must remember JG (who I actually rate as a player) is the new media darling. Would they have taken the same view if it was Wilf? I dont think so...." he went down to easily, was on his way down before any contact, ref called it right etc".
Thought it was outrageous they did not mention Palace's performance at all, if I had twitter I would tweet them

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 01 Sep 19 11.46am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I think that was a massive influence on the refs decision and so already the case. Id like to know had the whistle not gone and no goal would grealish have appealed for a pen?

Also, may obviously seem biased, given we had the majority of decisions in fast half, but I thought both Grealish and McGinn were going down far too easily all afternoon.

Agreed very disappointed in him yesterday

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Sep 19 12.16pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Having just witnessed the incident on TV, my view is that the referee was spot-on with his decision.Grealish took off as though he was on the end of a swimming pool and quite rightly was penalised by the referee.

All this hogwash that the referee was too quick on his whistle etc etc.He saw it as a dive and didn't need to wait at all before blowing - there was no 'Advantage' situation.

 

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View coulsdoneagle's Profile coulsdoneagle Flag London 01 Sep 19 12.28pm Send a Private Message to coulsdoneagle Add coulsdoneagle as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

I was expecting to see how the ref had made a howler on MOTD and Villa denied etc.etc.

So it was a surprise to see that Grealish did, in fact, dive, and the referee promptly blew for it.

That was where the game stopped, on the referee's whistle, not on what happened after.

Friend is a highly competent referee, and acted correctly.

Honestly some people defending the ref are deluded. Im so happy we got the call as we deserved the win 100% but we got lucky. If it was on the other foot and zaha had been pushed when running at speed and booked, wed be absolutely fuming.

Everyone saying there is no contact with Cahill, why did Cahill spin around and drop to the floor holding his leg if there is no contact.

Yes we deserved the win, yes Im happy with the call, but be honest, the ref made an error that we benefited from.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 01 Sep 19 12.34pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by coulsdoneagle

Honestly some people defending the ref are deluded. Im so happy we got the call as we deserved the win 100% but we got lucky. If it was on the other foot and zaha had been pushed when running at speed and booked, wed be absolutely fuming.

Everyone saying there is no contact with Cahill, why did Cahill spin around and drop to the floor holding his leg if there is no contact.

Yes we deserved the win, yes Im happy with the call, but be honest, the ref made an error that we benefited from.

Yes this detail of Cahill holding his leg makes me unsure. Cant believe there hasnt been any other angles or close ups.

 


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View NickinOX's Profile NickinOX Flag Sailing country. 01 Sep 19 12.53pm Send a Private Message to NickinOX Add NickinOX as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Having just witnessed the incident on TV, my view is that the referee was spot-on with his decision.Grealish took off as though he was on the end of a swimming pool and quite rightly was penalised by the referee.

All this hogwash that the referee was too quick on his whistle etc etc.He saw it as a dive and didn't need to wait at all before blowing - there was no 'Advantage' situation.

Spot on. I though it looked like Greasylish deliberately flung his leg out to make contact.

Edited by NickinOX (01 Sep 2019 12.53pm)

 


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View topcat's Profile topcat Flag Holmesdale / Surbiton 01 Sep 19 12.54pm Send a Private Message to topcat Add topcat as a friend

What was on the banner in block E anyone get a photo? I assume that it was about Bury FC but as I was in block D I couldn't see it.

 


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