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View buzby1's Profile buzby1 Flag Devon 19 Oct 19 11.54am Send a Private Message to buzby1 Add buzby1 as a friend

The situation in Hong Kong is understandable - the people there want democracy and not the authoritarian rule of China. Catalonia and the riots going on in Barcelona are more puzzling. Barcelona and the region around it is among the most wealthy and wealth-making in Spain. It's not as if they are oppressed minority. Yes, they identify as Catalans and not Spanish and this leads to destructive nationalism. Something there's far too much of in the world, Given Spain's history and the Civil War in particular, destructive nationalism is very bad news. It looks and feels indulgent.

Interested to know what others think.

 

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 19 Oct 19 12.32pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

the alternative to Nationalism ?

being governed by a faceless, voiceless, multiculti regime ?

like the EU, China, etc. These rulers do not respect national identity, language, ethnicity.


Force the Catalans to speak Spanish at the barrel of a gun ? Franco already tried that.

Its got nothing to do with wealth. The Norwegians are wealthier than us. Would you force them to drop their language and identity to speak English 24/7 ? or to pay their taxes to support a dole-head in a Welsh mining town ? or to stop singing their own national anthem ?

dream on.

The 'Nation-State' works better than its alternatives. When this is forgotten there is often trouble :

the Kurds
Kashmir
Ulster
the Balkans


the Catalans are a nation with a language at least as vibrant as Welsh, Scots Gallic or Danish. To accuse them of being Spanish is as arrogant as calling a Dutchman an 'off kilter German'.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (19 Oct 2019 12.42pm)

 


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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

the alternative to Nationalism ?

being governed by a faceless, voiceless, multiculti regime ?

like the EU, China, etc. These rulers do not respect national identity, language, ethnicity.


Force the Catalans to speak Spanish at the barrel of a gun ? Franco already tried that.

Its got nothing to do with wealth. The Norwegians are wealthier than us. Would you force them to drop their language and identity to speak English 24/7 ? or to pay their taxes to support a dole-head in a Welsh mining town ? or to stop singing their own national anthem ?

dream on.

The 'Nation-State' works better than its alternatives. When this is forgotten there is often trouble :

the Kurds
Kashmir
Ulster
the Balkans


the Catalans are a nation with a language at least as vibrant as Welsh, Scots Gallic or Danish. To accuse them of being Spanish is as arrogant as calling a Dutchman an 'off kilter German'.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (19 Oct 2019 12.42pm)

Run that by me again?

The sight of proud Catalonians smashing up their own capital city strikes me as a tad bizarre.

 


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View buzby1's Profile buzby1 Flag Devon 19 Oct 19 1.11pm Send a Private Message to buzby1 Add buzby1 as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

the alternative to Nationalism ?

being governed by a faceless, voiceless, multiculti regime ?

like the EU, China, etc. These rulers do not respect national identity, language, ethnicity.


Force the Catalans to speak Spanish at the barrel of a gun ? Franco already tried that.

Its got nothing to do with wealth. The Norwegians are wealthier than us. Would you force them to drop their language and identity to speak English 24/7 ? or to pay their taxes to support a dole-head in a Welsh mining town ? or to stop singing their own national anthem ?

dream on.

The 'Nation-State' works better than its alternatives. When this is forgotten there is often trouble :

the Kurds
Kashmir
Ulster
the Balkans


the Catalans are a nation with a language at least as vibrant as Welsh, Scots Gallic or Danish. To accuse them of being Spanish is as arrogant as calling a Dutchman an 'off kilter German'.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (19 Oct 2019 12.42pm)

 

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View buzby1's Profile buzby1 Flag Devon 19 Oct 19 1.13pm Send a Private Message to buzby1 Add buzby1 as a friend

What's wrong with a multi-cultural government, Palazio? Seems to me to be a good idea.

Spent some time in Barcelona - don't remember anyone being forced to speak Spanish at the barrel of a gun.

Chose your causes worth fighting for. This isn't one of them.

 

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View Tom-the-eagle's Profile Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 19 Oct 19 1.21pm Send a Private Message to Tom-the-eagle Add Tom-the-eagle as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

the alternative to Nationalism ?

being governed by a faceless, voiceless, multiculti regime ?

like the EU, China, etc. These rulers do not respect national identity, language, ethnicity.


Force the Catalans to speak Spanish at the barrel of a gun ? Franco already tried that.

Its got nothing to do with wealth. The Norwegians are wealthier than us. Would you force them to drop their language and identity to speak English 24/7 ? or to pay their taxes to support a dole-head in a Welsh mining town ? or to stop singing their own national anthem ?

dream on.

The 'Nation-State' works better than its alternatives. When this is forgotten there is often trouble :

the Kurds
Kashmir
Ulster
the Balkans


the Catalans are a nation with a language at least as vibrant as Welsh, Scots Gallic or Danish. To accuse them of being Spanish is as arrogant as calling a Dutchman an 'off kilter German'.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (19 Oct 2019 12.42pm)


Eh?

No one is forcing them to speak Spanish just like no one is forcing you or me to speak English or the bloke who owns my local newsagent speaking Urdu.

 


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View corkery's Profile corkery Flag Cork City 19 Oct 19 1.34pm Send a Private Message to corkery Add corkery as a friend

Spain doesn't believe in self determination, just look at Gibraltar. Gibraltar wants nothing to do with Spain but the Spanish insist that they become part of Spain anyway.

Compare that to the UK. The Scots had a vote, the Falklands had a vote, Malta had a vote etc.

 


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View W12's Profile W12 Flag 19 Oct 19 6.30pm Send a Private Message to W12 Add W12 as a friend

At this stage I would support almost any independent claim that was made in any socialist/communist country.

I would dissolve the union (taking Northern Ireland with us) to get away from the commie SNP and the impossible to sell Welsh party.

The Welsh and the Scots are now just a drain on England.

 

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Originally posted by W12

At this stage I would support almost any independent claim that was made in any socialist/communist country.

I would dissolve the union (taking Northern Ireland with us) to get away from the commie SNP and the impossible to spell Welsh party.

The Welsh and the Scots are now just a drain on England.

 

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View eagleman13's Profile eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 19 Oct 19 6.40pm Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Originally posted by W12

At this stage I would support almost any independent claim that was made in any socialist/communist country.

I would dissolve the union (taking Northern Ireland with us) to get away from the commie SNP and the impossible to sell Welsh party.

The Welsh and the Scots are now just a drain on England.

Oh dear

You haven't got a clue, FYI, I live out here

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 19 Oct 19 10.03pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Id let Scotland go.

 


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View W12's Profile W12 Flag 19 Oct 19 10.16pm Send a Private Message to W12 Add W12 as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Id let Scotland go.

Free Time, thumbs up award!

 

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