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View Uphill's Profile Uphill Flag Bedford 11 Nov 19 8.50am Send a Private Message to Uphill Add Uphill as a friend

Many are demanding we invest in a new striker in the January window, as if that would solve our lack of goals (only Watford have scored fewer)

Surely the problem is our malfunctioning midfield?

Ayew, Townsend and Zaha are not even getting 'scraps' to feed on, still less someone capable of taking a corner or crossing the ball - hence Benteke's ineffectivness.

Ayew runs his guts off but all he gets are high balls (just like Gayle used to)

By all accounts (and this is only a rumour in the case of Camarasa) we have 3 skilful midfielders who can pass the ball - Meyer and McCarthy. Yet both have been criticised for being hassled off the ball, none have started and get only 10 minutes or so as subs.

I appreciate our existing midfield (Milovesic, Kouyate, McArthur) is set up as a defensive shield but none are productive and struggle to pass the ball forward.

Consequently it is unfair to have a go at our forwards as they have little to work with.

Our next game is Liverpool and our present defensive line-up just may keep the score down to 2 or 3 goals but if we were a bit more adventurous, used a more creative midfield, we would still lose but might, just might, score a couple and achieve some respect instead of the grim, negative so-called 'football' we play now.

I'd rather go down 2-5 than 0-3.

I can't see any self respecting striker willing to join us if this goes on.

My mind goes back to the sixties when Gerry Queen was a game and willing lone striker with no support.

Things haven't changed much ......

 

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View Bangell's Profile Bangell Flag Oxford 11 Nov 19 8.55am Send a Private Message to Bangell Add Bangell as a friend

To be fair I think most of us are pretty happy with how Ayew is performing this season, but you need more than one striker in the squad (no, I don't count Benteke).

Do agree we need more midfield creativity though. Roy was happy to play RLC when he was here - I think we'll need to find a similarly physically robust creative player to convince Roy to play one. The problem is finding one with RLC's quality too...

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag Kent 11 Nov 19 8.58am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Uphill

Many are demanding we invest in a new striker in the January window, as if that would solve our lack of goals (only Watford have scored fewer)

Surely the problem is our malfunctioning midfield?

Ayew, Townsend and Zaha are not even getting 'scraps' to feed on, still less someone capable of taking a corner or crossing the ball - hence Benteke's ineffectivness.

Ayew runs his guts off but all he gets are high balls (just like Gayle used to)

By all accounts (and this is only a rumour in the case of Camarasa) we have 3 skilful midfielders who can pass the ball - Meyer and McCarthy. Yet both have been criticised for being hassled off the ball, none have started and get only 10 minutes or so as subs.

I appreciate our existing midfield (Milovesic, Kouyate, McArthur) is set up as a defensive shield but none are productive and struggle to pass the ball forward.

Consequently it is unfair to have a go at our forwards as they have little to work with.

Our next game is Liverpool and our present defensive line-up just may keep the score down to 2 or 3 goals but if we were a bit more adventurous, used a more creative midfield, we would still lose but might, just might, score a couple and achieve some respect instead of the grim, negative so-called 'football' we play now.

I'd rather go down 2-5 than 0-3.

I can't see any self respecting striker willing to join us if this goes on.

My mind goes back to the sixties when Gerry Queen was a game and willing lone striker with no support.

Things haven't changed much ......

Have to agree with you on this one. I remember at Stoke a few years ago when we were 5th and Bolasie got injured thinking that could be a massive blow.

The reason I thought this was that he was our main outlet for getting into the final third, we don't work it there.

In recent years, our only real plan for getting the ball into the final third was either with Bolasie/Wilf running it there or possibly when we had RLC, who could play between the midfield and forward line.

We have never replaced Bolasie or had another player like RLC who links the midfield to the attack. That's why Wilf has been so important for us and when he has not played or played badly you can see why we struggle to score.

I am not going to stand up for Benteke, even though he for me is more of a comical figure now as opposed to a player I resent, but it's not as if he was being put through on goal 2 or 3 times a week and just not able to score. We scarcely create clear goalscoring opportunities and that has been the case for the last 5 years.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 11 Nov 19 9.02am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

I agree with the above.
Messi or Renaldo would struggle with the methods that Roy is currently employing.
We are so pedestrian and methodical moving the ball forward that our attacking players are always outnumbered on the rare occasions they receive the ball.
Where we have had a striker , Batshuayi it also needs to be recognised that he was left out for spells by Hodgson.
He used him more when we looked like we could be safe.
Roy will not use a striker who doesnít conform to his negative methodology and act as first line of defence.

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 11 Nov 19 9.24am Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

We are in a situation where we have two good strikers if in form and fit who are on the pay roll, these two men would be very well adequate in a positive situation for our club, we are currently waiting for them both (under contract) to improve their individual situations .. midfield players are good enough against teams below the top six. Stopping teams from scoring against us will prevent relegation and that is our goal considering the squad and situation it is in at the moment.

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 11 Nov 19 9.34am Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by Uphill

Many are demanding we invest in a new striker in the January window, as if that would solve our lack of goals (only Watford have scored fewer)

Surely the problem is our malfunctioning midfield?

Ayew, Townsend and Zaha are not even getting 'scraps' to feed on, still less someone capable of taking a corner or crossing the ball - hence Benteke's ineffectivness.

Ayew runs his guts off but all he gets are high balls (just like Gayle used to)

By all accounts (and this is only a rumour in the case of Camarasa) we have 3 skilful midfielders who can pass the ball - Meyer and McCarthy. Yet both have been criticised for being hassled off the ball, none have started and get only 10 minutes or so as subs.

I appreciate our existing midfield (Milovesic, Kouyate, McArthur) is set up as a defensive shield but none are productive and struggle to pass the ball forward.

Consequently it is unfair to have a go at our forwards as they have little to work with.

Our next game is Liverpool and our present defensive line-up just may keep the score down to 2 or 3 goals but if we were a bit more adventurous, used a more creative midfield, we would still lose but might, just might, score a couple and achieve some respect instead of the grim, negative so-called 'football' we play now.

I'd rather go down 2-5 than 0-3.

I can't see any self respecting striker willing to join us if this goes on.

My mind goes back to the sixties when Gerry Queen was a game and willing lone striker with no support.

Things haven't changed much ......

We have had forty one shots on target so far this season, average for teams around us in this league.

 

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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag People's Republic of Gozo 11 Nov 19 9.49am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Perhaps my memory is wrong, but last season in some games I'm sure we created 20-30 chances a game, but it wasn't until we signed Bats that we started scoring. At the end of the season when we were safe I seem to remember he was put on the bench as Roy said he thought it was fair to give the other players a chance as Batshuayi was only on loan.

This season Roy seems to lack confidence in any of our strikers and this has been reflected in our very conservative approach. I believe if Roy got in one or two attacking players he had faith in we would attack more. I think the team would feel more confident to do so too. This sounds odd as I write it as Ayew has worked tirelessly this season and got 4 goals and probably been our best player, but I still don't feel like the team play like he is the spearhead of our attack. I do think, however, that a massive problem this season had been Schlupp playing instead of Townsend. If we can afford it then I think signing a quick winger would be a big lift too, as having that option from the bench rather than sticking a central midfielder out wide is surely a much better option..

 

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View adamnye27's Profile adamnye27 Flag Bracknell 11 Nov 19 9.53am Send a Private Message to adamnye27 Add adamnye27 as a friend

It seems like Roy has sucked the life out of the flair players, more interested in workers hence why choosing kouyate schlupp etc most games. For example Leicester at home, we had 2 attacking players on the pitch Zaha and ayew, how are we meant to create chances. another big frustration, Zaha didn't get any change out of ricardo of Leicester and reece james, why don't he move to the other side, its so static dull and negative.

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 11 Nov 19 10.15am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Totally agree with the original post. Quite frankly if at times you do not play in the opposition's final third, it is highly unlikely that you will score. RH (who I read is a percentages man) should understand this. A clunky, slow, defensively minded midfield that is incapable of carrying the ball 10 yards forward but is happy to pass from side to side is the cause of our many negative displays. This is a clear manifestation of the manager's approach to football.

 

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View Casual's Profile Casual Flag Orpington 11 Nov 19 10.40am Send a Private Message to Casual Add Casual as a friend

Good original post.
No through balls to the forward, poor Ayew spends most of his time coming deep to try and effect the game. Also the 2 wingers arenít making the runs as they know that it will be a fluke if a decent forward ball comes.
No point getting a number 9 if we donít also get a number 10.

 

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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 11 Nov 19 11.24am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by Bangell

To be fair I think most of us are pretty happy with how Ayew is performing this season, but you need more than one striker in the squad (no, I don't count Benteke).

Do agree we need more midfield creativity though. Roy was happy to play RLC when he was here - I think we'll need to find a similarly physically robust creative player to convince Roy to play one. The problem is finding one with RLC's quality too...

Think this is correct, But surely Camarasa seems to fit the missing link, he doesn't seem lightweight, cant understand why he hasn't had a chance.

 

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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 11 Nov 19 11.31am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

RLC record for us was P25 2 goals 5 assists
Camarasa for Cardiff P33 5 goals 4 assists,
I think RLC was very important to us, but Camarasa record for Cardiff was excellent in a poorer team, give him a go

 

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