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View nead1's Profile nead1 Flag 05 Dec 19 10.11pm Send a Private Message to nead1 Add nead1 as a friend

Despite all the concerns of so many fans, it seems to be transpiring that the summer was not so bad after all. Luka signed a new 4 year contract, Ayew has proved to be a snip at £2.5m - the reputed fee, Cahill has proved excellent and McCarthy looks a good addition as well. Granted the Camarasa situation has seemed odd and the third goalkeeper has not been required as yet.
Additionally, it appears there is a lot of flexibility within the current squad and both Kelly and Jeff S look perfectly competent full backs - maybe not so surprising as the latter was first choice under Allardyce in that position I seem to recall and Kelly played a lot for Liverpool in that position.
Perhaps of more importance is the obvious togetherness within the squad and you never hear of any discontent getting into the public domain. Roy's man management skills appear to be of the highest order and securing him for a further period seems incredibly important.
Also, of course, Zaha must in retrospect be delighted he didn't join Everton despite the transfer request and the £50m for Wan Bissaka after one season in the PL seems like a sound deal.
All in all, it suggests some steady judgement behind the scenes - whether that be Parish, Freedman or Hodgson or perhaps a combination of all three.
Certainly, another striker option would be helpful in January but even that is not looking as dire as predicted.
Happy times!

 

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View the.universal's Profile the.universal 05 Dec 19 10.31pm Send a Private Message to the.universal Add the.universal as a friend

Well said. Generally when we spend less it works out better.

 


Vive le Roy!

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View Law's Profile Law Flag Beckenham 06 Dec 19 12.46am Send a Private Message to Law Add Law as a friend

I agree with many of the points, BUT… let’s be honest. Had we lost Wilf at the end of the window, it’s unlikely that we’d be doing quite as well as we are; and there’s an argument that Everton wouldn’t be as low as they find themselves currently.

Speculation like this means very little. I even argue that Wilf is the kind of player that may well have kept Silva in his job (FTR, I’ve been of the opinion that the man is a fraud after is Hull stint; he most probably would have added nothing to his development. Definitely less than Roy).

We were very lucky to keep hold of Wilf in the summer, but he’ll probably be off this summer coming. He will STILL go with my blessing.

Edited by Law (06 Dec 2019 12.47am)

 

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View Casual's Profile Casual Flag Orpington 06 Dec 19 5.36am Send a Private Message to Casual Add Casual as a friend

Originally posted by Law

I agree with many of the points, BUT… let’s be honest. Had we lost Wilf at the end of the window, it’s unlikely that we’d be doing quite as well as we are; and there’s an argument that Everton wouldn’t be as low as they find themselves currently.

Speculation like this means very little. I even argue that Wilf is the kind of player that may well have kept Silva in his job (FTR, I’ve been of the opinion that the man is a fraud after is Hull stint; he most probably would have added nothing to his development. Definitely less than Roy).

We were very lucky to keep hold of Wilf in the summer, but he’ll probably be off this summer coming. He will STILL go with my blessing.

Edited by Law (06 Dec 2019 12.47am)

Yep agree, think that Zahas 2 goals in 15 games would have had Everton in a champions league place and Silva would probably be in line for the Real Madrid job

 

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View Casual's Profile Casual Flag Orpington 06 Dec 19 5.40am Send a Private Message to Casual Add Casual as a friend

Originally posted by nead1

Despite all the concerns of so many fans, it seems to be transpiring that the summer was not so bad after all. Luka signed a new 4 year contract, Ayew has proved to be a snip at £2.5m - the reputed fee, Cahill has proved excellent and McCarthy looks a good addition as well. Granted the Camarasa situation has seemed odd and the third goalkeeper has not been required as yet.
Additionally, it appears there is a lot of flexibility within the current squad and both Kelly and Jeff S look perfectly competent full backs - maybe not so surprising as the latter was first choice under Allardyce in that position I seem to recall and Kelly played a lot for Liverpool in that position.
Perhaps of more importance is the obvious togetherness within the squad and you never hear of any discontent getting into the public domain. Roy's man management skills appear to be of the highest order and securing him for a further period seems incredibly important.
Also, of course, Zaha must in retrospect be delighted he didn't join Everton despite the transfer request and the £50m for Wan Bissaka after one season in the PL seems like a sound deal.
All in all, it suggests some steady judgement behind the scenes - whether that be Parish, Freedman or Hodgson or perhaps a combination of all three.
Certainly, another striker option would be helpful in January but even that is not looking as dire as predicted.
Happy times!

Kelly must be the most underrated player at the club.
Most people’s centre back starters at the beginning of the season would have been Tompkins and Sakho , best this season has been Cahill and Kelly.
Not sure that McCarthy has been any better than average she. He was played though.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 06 Dec 19 7.39am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Casual

Kelly must be the most underrated player at the club.
Most people’s centre back starters at the beginning of the season would have been Tompkins and Sakho , best this season has been Cahill and Kelly.
Not sure that McCarthy has been any better than average she. He was played though.

McCarthy was out injured a long time before we signed him, I doubt we will see the best of him until next season. Still he has done enough for me to be a good squad player with potential if he is now over his injuries. apparently the Everton fans liked him.

 


One more point

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View Painter's Profile Painter Flag Croydon 06 Dec 19 9.16am Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by Law

I agree with many of the points, BUT… let’s be honest. Had we lost Wilf at the end of the window, it’s unlikely that we’d be doing quite as well as we are; and there’s an argument that Everton wouldn’t be as low as they find themselves currently.

Speculation like this means very little. I even argue that Wilf is the kind of player that may well have kept Silva in his job (FTR, I’ve been of the opinion that the man is a fraud after is Hull stint; he most probably would have added nothing to his development. Definitely less than Roy).

We were very lucky to keep hold of Wilf in the summer, but he’ll probably be off this summer coming. He will STILL go with my blessing.

Edited by Law (06 Dec 2019 12.47am)

Well Zaha didn’t go , so irrelevant point. He is going every window, but never does, getting a bit tedious.

Everton have good players, but an overrated crap manager, Zaha would make no difference at all.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag Kent 06 Dec 19 9.23am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Casual

Yep agree, think that Zahas 2 goals in 15 games would have had Everton in a champions league place and Silva would probably be in line for the Real Madrid job

Totally agree and did make me lol.

I think a lot is owed to Roy for this seasons successes. I'm very happy to hold my hands up and say I was very pessimistic, that said there's still surely a lot of frustration and panic to come.

I think the point is that we are all very happy things seem to be working out, and yes Cahill was a great move, we kept Wilf and Ayew scored a few etc. But still, we have no genuine cover at full back, with players covering out of position, no back up wingers and although I am full of praise for Ayew, a genuine goalscorer up front.

My stance would be that in perspective, the summer was still sh!t however I am delighted things seem to be going our way this season, for whatever reason!


 


Here's to you the famous red and blue.....

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View Painter's Profile Painter Flag Croydon 06 Dec 19 9.44am Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Totally agree and did make me lol.

I think a lot is owed to Roy for this seasons successes. I'm very happy to hold my hands up and say I was very pessimistic, that said there's still surely a lot of frustration and panic to come.

I think the point is that we are all very happy things seem to be working out, and yes Cahill was a great move, we kept Wilf and Ayew scored a few etc. But still, we have no genuine cover at full back, with players covering out of position, no back up wingers and although I am full of praise for Ayew, a genuine goalscorer up front.

My stance would be that in perspective, the summer was still sh!t however I am delighted things seem to be going our way this season, for whatever reason!


What is not genuine about a full back that played in that position for Liverpool and England with another that played full back in Premier title winning team?

 

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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 06 Dec 19 11.26am Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

I must say I'm still pessimistic.

- and the window, however you dress it up was still bad.
Selling AWB, and not buying anyone of note was terrible, especially when we were screaming out for a forward, and a CAM. Cahill's turned out to be a good bit of business, and Ayews exceeded everyones expectations(2nd Season Syndrome?) but that's about it. We need so much more.

But whenever I'm pessimistic we do well, and when I'm optimistic, we're sh*t, so what do I know!

 

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View Bangell's Profile Bangell Flag Oxford 06 Dec 19 11.32am Send a Private Message to Bangell Add Bangell as a friend

I think the injuries now are showing exactly why we needed two new full-backs. And if something happens to Ayew and we're forced to play Benteke up front...

 

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View nead1's Profile nead1 Flag 06 Dec 19 11.35am Send a Private Message to nead1 Add nead1 as a friend

I agree with Painter's analysis re the full backs. Equally, like most of us I expect Zaha to go at some stage but his interests and Palace are much more likely to be met by Chelsea or someone similar.I would guess, on reflection, that Zaha recognises that Palace acted in his and their best interests and that handing in a transfer request was a major error of judgement.Also, to think Arsenal paid £72m for Pepe and offered less than half of that for Zaha. no wonder they are in such a mess!

 

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