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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 18 Dec 19 10.46pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Did anyone watch this on ITV late last night?

It was embargoed during the election period and then given a barely noticeable Tuesday night slot.

It genuinely shocked me with some completely new information.

Please forget our political differences. The subjects raised affect and should concern us all.

It is a very important piece of work which I urge you to watch. I am sure it can be found on catch up TV and think it is also being shown in some cinemas.

So far as I can see it has received no comment in the media. It really needs to. Please watch.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 18 Dec 19 11.20pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Did anyone watch this on ITV late last night?

It was embargoed during the election period and then given a barely noticeable Tuesday night slot.

It genuinely shocked me with some completely new information.

Please forget our political differences. The subjects raised affect and should concern us all.

It is a very important piece of work which I urge you to watch. I am sure it can be found on catch up TV and think it is also being shown in some cinemas.

So far as I can see it has received no comment in the media. It really needs to. Please watch.

Some people are soooooo gullible!

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 18 Dec 19 11.28pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Some people are soooooo gullible!

Yes they are.

I have written many times on my experience at United Health. They won't rest until they get a BIG slug of the NHS action.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 18 Dec 19 11.47pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Apparently the guy who's just here to 'view' those with politics 'on the margins', now wants site users to watch a left wing take on the NHS.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Dec 2019 12.01am)

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Watch the film and don't please make any assumptions about what it says. It's not from any kind of "left wing" perspective. It looks at the way that many things have been hidden from us and/or disguised as developments.

It criticised the way the NHS has been handled by the Labour Party even more strongly than it did the Tories.

I urge you to try to keep political bias out of this. Unless you hate the principal behind the NHS and want to see an American style of insurance funded healthcare in the UK what this film reveals ought to concern us all.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 19 Dec 19 12.13am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

I'd agree that politicians of both main parties are responsible for the funding crises in the NHS.

It's entirely due to population increases via both success with aging but also twenty years of 300,000 plus immigration.

The budget of the NHS has sky rocketed....now up to 143 billion but it can't keep pace with the demands being placed on it.

This cannot continue......it's illogical.

The future is some form of insurance and the blame for that is strictly at the feet of the neo liberal.....from both parties.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Dec 2019 12.41am)

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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View Tim Gypsy Hill '64's Profile Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 19 Dec 19 12.15am Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

15:56

Kinda gives it away.

Propaganda

 


Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

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View Tim Gypsy Hill '64's Profile Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 19 Dec 19 12.39am Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

I might be incoherent.

Alcohol...

Apologies

Or not?

 


Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 19 Dec 19 5.40am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

If parts were 'privatised' ( about 8% is now I think,in some capacity) then it would be parts that are harder to manage from the governments own resources.
Probably would still be free and like now allow you to pay if you wanted to.
Same doctors different clinic.
The pharmacy/ drugs side of it has always been a negotiated best price arrangement.
A poster made a point a while back whereby at present a majority of our medication is patent parts ,so to speak.
If the usa supplied the originals at probably a higher cost yes; then it could mean they are more effective so curing more people. I dont see how any patent drug (ibuprofen etc excluded) can be more effective or even as effective as the original.
That's a fact with most things generally tbh.
The failings with the nhs atm appear to be revisits from people who could be helped outside of hospitals in the community.
That's being looked at by boris as we speak I believe.
It also doesnt help that probably 25% of hospital and doctors patients are similarly the same portion who regularly waste police time.
No WE I cant evidence this but it is muted in certain news and reports at certain times.
Doesnt help either that when changes are suggested in the nhs the doctors seem to have an overall say and enmass reject them out of hand.
Too many managers also play a role as I've posted before.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 19 Dec 19 6.27am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

IMDB reviews are available here and two out of the three reviews are fairly damning

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 19 Dec 19 7.39am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

I haven't watched the documentary yet, but will.

But having dealt with the NHS from a business perspective and knowing a number of people that work in it in different fields, my perception is ;

It can't keep pace with the demand on it
It is badly managed
No matter how much money is thrown at it, it's never enough

It's a reversal of the '' too big to fail '' banking mentality, it's now too big to succeed.

It's also been used as a political football by the 2 main parties which rarely helps anything.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 19 Dec 19 8.03am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

I haven't watched the film but I don't see what the issue is with privatising the NHS.

Many of the countries in Europe which people laud are a mix of private and public healthcare even the socialist ones.

As long as it it free at point of need it then become a question of efficiency. Many GPs who work in the NHS run their practices as private companies and share the profits amongst themselves. They don't seem to have an issue with that yet the minute you suggest a private company may be more efficient at providing a service they are up in arms.

Edited by Badger11 (19 Dec 2019 8.04am)

 


One more point

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