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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 06 Feb 20 4.10pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Jeez - that is a great article and a fair assessment of where we are and what is happening.
Not a pretty sight!

 

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View rollercoaster's Profile rollercoaster Flag Cornwall 06 Feb 20 4.25pm Send a Private Message to rollercoaster Add rollercoaster as a friend

Wdell written piece that details what I have felt over the last season and this. I will be very pleased if we manage to stay up this year.

Like every Summer I'll be hoping the club gets its act together. Whether we stay up or not this Summer threatens to be a defining time for the club.

 

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View Henry of Peckham's Profile Henry of Peckham Flag Eton Mess 06 Feb 20 4.36pm Send a Private Message to Henry of Peckham Add Henry of Peckham as a friend

Ownership - there's probably enough money in the club for the American "owners" just to walk away with what they've put in ... and a little more for their trouble. Parrish is unusually quiet this season.

Infrastructure - there isn't any foreseeable chance of the ground being developed to boost the chance of attracting a new owner. Partly attributable to red tape but there has been no commitment to spend money.

Overrated - Wilf reckons he's worth nearly twice as much as he's currently paid but his transfer value must be dropping every week after less than sparkling performances on the pitch. Enough has been said often about Benteke and Sakho.

Plan A - we still get served the same boring tactics at every home game and have been crying out for a consistent striker to score goals for years now. There is no Plan B on the pitch.

Masterly inactivity or just chaos - even Roy has got the hump over the lack of transfer activity. We had an opportunity to move players on and get some in last month but did virtually nothing about it.

I am left with the impression that no one wants to be at Palace anymore. When was the last time the crowd was singing and rocking in the aisles? It looks bad all round.

 


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View chris123's Profile chris123 Flag hove actually 06 Feb 20 4.39pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Difficult to disagree with any of it, sadly - would add our squad is 22 strong post window - there may be a reason, but it's totally beyond me.

 

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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag People's Republic of Gozo 06 Feb 20 4.39pm Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

I've been one of the more patient fans in most regards, but it is hard to back the hierarchy when you look at the facts over the last few seasons. In the short-term it is imperative we find buyers to get the Americans out as Roy has previously publicly stated they are the barrier to spending, but as to the long-term plan that is something for which I hope someone is on top of!

The only one thing I would say is that although we have only won one game in the last 10 we did draw six with a severe injury list including no full-backs and no right winger, plus Tosun should be back after Everton. What will be telling is how the squad respond once everyone is fit. I do think we will stay up, but I think that is almost solely down to Roy & Ray rather than testament to Parish or the board's support.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 06 Feb 20 5.15pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham

Ownership - there's probably enough money in the club for the American "owners" just to walk away with what they've put in ... and a little more for their trouble. Parrish is unusually quiet this season.

Infrastructure - there isn't any foreseeable chance of the ground being developed to boost the chance of attracting a new owner. Partly attributable to red tape but there has been no commitment to spend money.

Overrated - Wilf reckons he's worth nearly twice as much as he's currently paid but his transfer value must be dropping every week after less than sparkling performances on the pitch. Enough has been said often about Benteke and Sakho.

Plan A - we still get served the same boring tactics at every home game and have been crying out for a consistent striker to score goals for years now. There is no Plan B on the pitch.

Masterly inactivity or just chaos - even Roy has got the hump over the lack of transfer activity. We had an opportunity to move players on and get some in last month but did virtually nothing about it.

I am left with the impression that no one wants to be at Palace anymore. When was the last time the crowd was singing and rocking in the aisles? It looks bad all round.

Only if thereís a buyer. There isnít £50mil at the bank or cash in hand, and even if there was, their share may be worth more. Probably not, but possibly. For them to walk away weíd have to sell Zaha and give them all the money, plus another play or two. Then without a rebuild of the team we and Parish will be back to the early 2010ís, or worse probably.

 


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View Ginger Pubic Wig's Profile Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 06 Feb 20 6.17pm Send a Private Message to Ginger Pubic Wig Add Ginger Pubic Wig as a friend

I do agree with the article but will try to put up a few counter points because I think some of it amounts to 'accepted wisdom'.

The article says we have no strategy. Then it points out we have high wages but low transfer spend.

I think high wages and low transfer spend can be a strategy (and is ours). And if we pick the right players, it can keep us up with lower risks than trying to pick the stars of tomorrow. We instinctively think it's easy to buy a 21 year old for £10m and sell him at 25 for £50m. Maybe it's not. Maybe you just buy lots of 21 year olds for £10m.

What really happened, what has been a truly awful thing, is the signings of Benteke and Sakho. Immense asset depreciation, immense wages. Insufficient benefit of any kind.

The rest -- and the intrinsic structural flaws that the club must address -- should all be seem in the context of those two horrific decisions. (Both of which I personally blame the yanks for in large part).

Now onto another counter point. I suspect our finances may be slowly improving. We aren't spending, that's true. And may be our coffers are filling with premier league riches. Yes we had an awful last set of accounts, but I'm optimistic about the next set...especially if we can finish in the top half of the table this term.

Now, let's just imagine we get 1 youth player (I like Pierrick) come through, and two talented youngsters are bought. It wouldn't be everything, but it would mark a shift. And a change of narrative.

Up the Palace.

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View Casual's Profile Casual Flag Orpington 06 Feb 20 6.23pm Send a Private Message to Casual Add Casual as a friend

I was talking to Tony Cascarino today, heís writing an article for one of the posh papers, canít remember which one he said he works for, about Palace and how the fans have turned/are fu*ked of with the current regime/tactics. He was saying that the West Ham and Man Utd problems were obvious and public , but from the outside looking in we are fine, but our fans know itís not.
Also said Roy was bang in trouble last Christmas, but we went on a good run that saved his job. Said to keep an eye on Kevin Campbellís boy at Stoke, who he reckons will be a top player.
Also that the fella that owns Bolton was who brought Luka to Palace, think he was an agent at the time.
Right nice fella he was, see him about loads but never spoken to him, asked him if Dean Saunders was going to be back on talksport and ended up chatting for 10 minutes.

 

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View chris123's Profile chris123 Flag hove actually 06 Feb 20 6.29pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by Casual

I was talking to Tony Cascarino today, heís writing an article for one of the posh papers, canít remember which one he said he works for, about Palace and how the fans have turned/are fu*ked of with the current regime/tactics. He was saying that the West Ham and Man Utd problems were obvious and public , but from the outside looking in we are fine, but our fans know itís not.
Also said Roy was bang in trouble last Christmas, but we went on a good run that saved his job. Said to keep an eye on Kevin Campbellís boy at Stoke, who he reckons will be a top player.
Also that the fella that owns Bolton was who brought Luka to Palace, think he was an agent at the time.
Right nice fella he was, see him about loads but never spoken to him, asked him if Dean Saunders was going to be back on talksport and ended up chatting for 10 minutes.

He writes for the Times.

 

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View Palacesince64's Profile Palacesince64 Flag Edinburgh 07 Feb 20 12.23am Send a Private Message to Palacesince64 Add Palacesince64 as a friend

My first reaction when I read the article was that it was a fair assessment of the club and that sadly we are ultimately going to end up back in the Championship. But maybe thatís our reality. If we donít have the finance and infrastructure to play with the big boys we shouldnít be in the loadsadosh league. We wonít go down this season but if we canít buy the right players in the summer we will get what we deserve.

To be honest I was more depressed by the fact our under 23s have gone from being one of the best young sides to being bottom. Usually that happens because the youngsters move up to the big team. Where is that young talent? Bring back Ricky Shaw.

 

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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 07 Feb 20 10.03am Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

I do agree with the article but will try to put up a few counter points because I think some of it amounts to 'accepted wisdom'.

The article says we have no strategy. Then it points out we have high wages but low transfer spend.

I think high wages and low transfer spend can be a strategy (and is ours). And if we pick the right players, it can keep us up with lower risks than trying to pick the stars of tomorrow. We instinctively think it's easy to buy a 21 year old for £10m and sell him at 25 for £50m. Maybe it's not. Maybe you just buy lots of 21 year olds for £10m.

What really happened, what has been a truly awful thing, is the signings of Benteke and Sakho. Immense asset depreciation, immense wages. Insufficient benefit of any kind.

The rest -- and the intrinsic structural flaws that the club must address -- should all be seem in the context of those two horrific decisions. (Both of which I personally blame the yanks for in large part).

Now onto another counter point. I suspect our finances may be slowly improving. We aren't spending, that's true. And may be our coffers are filling with premier league riches. Yes we had an awful last set of accounts, but I'm optimistic about the next set...especially if we can finish in the top half of the table this term.

Now, let's just imagine we get 1 youth player (I like Pierrick) come through, and two talented youngsters are bought. It wouldn't be everything, but it would mark a shift. And a change of narrative.

Up the Palace.

A dash of optimism in the sea of doom. I like it

I think there were signs that we were, at least attempting to do just that. A real shame the Ferguson deal fell through, but another example of the club being scared to spend the money at the first sight of trouble (will have to give them the benefit of the doubt though, after all they were the ones that did the medical) But the intent to buy young talent is clearly there.
I really hope Scotty Banks succeeds too.

You're right in that the more we don't spend the more we have to spend later, but we can't keep offering peanuts and going into deals tentatively. This is why other clubs usurp our deals so often. It doesn't matter how much money you have, if you constantly look to get everything on the cheap.

Buy the right player at the right price.

 

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View .TUX.'s Profile .TUX. Flag 07 Feb 20 10.20am Send a Private Message to .TUX. Add .TUX. as a friend

Good article and sadly too close to the truth.

When we eventually go down we're still be a tin-pot outfit. That's a shame.

 


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