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View JRW2's Profile JRW2 Flag Dulwich 11 Oct 20 2.33pm Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

Many years ago, when I worked in the City, we had a system whereby each of us was responsible for bringing in one newspaper each (I drew the short straw - the Daily Mail). For a long time the tax man allowed these newspaper costs as a deduction against our income, then he suddenly ruled that the papers were not "wholly, exclusively and necessarily" needed in our occupation and the tax relief ended.

By the same token I wonder whether these recipients of papers at the BBC should be taxed on the value of this "perk". The cost of The Times every day for a year is over £500.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 11 Oct 20 3.05pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Sorry I don't buy it (and neither do the BBC staff). They need them in the newsroom but 200 copies?

As I tried to explain it's more than just the newsroom who need to keep up with what is in the papers. Anyone involved in current affairs does, so do those in drama, chat shows etc etc. Why so many? I don't know but there will be a reason for sure. The BBC is a big organisation. Maybe staff take them home for study in their own time there, or whilst travelling. You cannot share them.

 

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Originally posted by JRW2

Many years ago, when I worked in the City, we had a system whereby each of us was responsible for bringing in one newspaper each (I drew the short straw - the Daily Mail). For a long time the tax man allowed these newspaper costs as a deduction against our income, then he suddenly ruled that the papers were not "wholly, exclusively and necessarily" needed in our occupation and the tax relief ended.

By the same token I wonder whether these recipients of papers at the BBC should be taxed on the value of this "perk". The cost of The Times every day for a year is over £500.

If you didn't need the papers to assist in your job then the taxman would correctly have given that ruling. Many at the BBC do need them, so he won't as they won't be regarded as a "perk".

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 11 Oct 20 3.18pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

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To be fair it seems the BBC has (or had in 2015) a balance in reading material. The paperboy must be cream crackered.

 

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View JRW2's Profile JRW2 Flag Dulwich 11 Oct 20 3.52pm Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If you didn't need the papers to assist in your job then the taxman would correctly have given that ruling. Many at the BBC do need them, so he won't as they won't be regarded as a "perk".

The point is that my colleagues and I did need the papers to assist in our jobs. But the situation didn't satisfy the "wholly, exclusively and necessarily" criterion, and I believe that the same issue arises with the BBC's provision of free newspapers. To take an obvious example, the BBC's sports staff don't need to know what's happening in the stock market, or the arts, or in the US election, or in North Korea. In fact, I find it hard to believe that any but possibly a tiny majority of BBC employees need access to the whole of a particular newspaper to do their job. That's where my old colleagues and I were caught, and, frankly, I believe that HMRC had a perfectly fair case.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 11 Oct 20 3.53pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by JRW2

The point is that my colleagues and I did need the papers to assist in our jobs. But the situation didn't satisfy the "wholly, exclusively and necessarily" criterion, and I believe that the same issue arises with the BBC's provision of free newspapers. To take an obvious example, the BBC's sports staff don't need to know what's happening in the stock market, or the arts, or in the US election, or in North Korea. In fact, I find it hard to believe that any but possibly a tiny majority of BBC employees need access to the whole of a particular newspaper to do their job. That's where my old colleagues and I were caught, and, frankly, I believe that HMRC had a perfectly fair case.

Apparently a lot of newspapers are in the foyers for visitors / guests.

 


One more point

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 11 Oct 20 7.43pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by JRW2

The point is that my colleagues and I did need the papers to assist in our jobs. But the situation didn't satisfy the "wholly, exclusively and necessarily" criterion, and I believe that the same issue arises with the BBC's provision of free newspapers. To take an obvious example, the BBC's sports staff don't need to know what's happening in the stock market, or the arts, or in the US election, or in North Korea. In fact, I find it hard to believe that any but possibly a tiny majority of BBC employees need access to the whole of a particular newspaper to do their job. That's where my old colleagues and I were caught, and, frankly, I believe that HMRC had a perfectly fair case.

So what do you think they should do? Employ a few extra staff to cut and paste, or photocopy, those sections only relevant to each employee? I suspect the cost would be greater than just supplying the whole paper.

In any case you can often stumble over something interesting and relevant in the oddest of places,

Who knows, maybe the taxman already extracts their pound of flesh from all, or some, of the staff.

 

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View dannyboy1978's Profile dannyboy1978 Flag 11 Oct 20 9.56pm Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

So what do you think they should do? Employ a few extra staff to cut and paste, or photocopy, those sections only relevant to each employee? I suspect the cost would be greater than just supplying the whole paper.

In any case you can often stumble over something interesting and relevant in the oddest of places,

Who knows, maybe the taxman already extracts their pound of flesh from all, or some, of the staff.

Arnt the BBC suppose to find their own news rather than copy it from the gaurdian?
Why do they need news papers on that scale?

 

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View mezzer's Profile mezzer Flag Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 12 Oct 20 11.09am Send a Private Message to mezzer Add mezzer as a friend

An article from Bloomberg today. Quite long but relevant:

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"Frances Cairncross, a politically neutral economist who led a review into the the U.K.’s news industry, agrees. “The BBC could do an awful lot more to reflect the views of people on the right of center,” she said recently. The director-general wants to widen newsroom diversity, including finding people from white working class backgrounds. But that will take years to have an impact."

 


Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 12 Oct 20 11.48am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by mezzer

“The BBC could do an awful lot more to reflect the views of people on the right of center,” she said recently. The director-general wants to widen newsroom diversity, including finding people from white working class backgrounds. But that will take years to have an impact."

re-arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.

 


from the Etihad, Emirates, Molyneux, London Stadium, the Vitality, turf moor & Anfield to Old Trafford.....Raptors on the Road

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View JRW2's Profile JRW2 Flag Dulwich 12 Oct 20 11.54am Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

So what do you think they should do? Employ a few extra staff to cut and paste, or photocopy, those sections only relevant to each employee? I suspect the cost would be greater than just supplying the whole paper.

In any case you can often stumble over something interesting and relevant in the oddest of places,

Who knows, maybe the taxman already extracts their pound of flesh from all, or some, of the staff.

Oh dear. You seem determined to ignore the perfectly reasonable point I had made, and your first paragraph is just silly.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 13 Oct 20 5.32pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

re-arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.

 


I used to put the manager's name in front of Red and Blue but got fed up with changing it. If someone cool becomes our manager then maybe..

Red and Blue Army!

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