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View sitdownstandup's Profile sitdownstandup Flag 21 Jun 20 6.16pm Send a Private Message to sitdownstandup Add sitdownstandup as a friend

Seems like most debates on here are arguments between the left and right and everyone takes either one side or the other. Is anyone either apolitical or someone in the middle of both?

 


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Originally posted by sitdownstandup

Seems like most debates on here are arguments between the left and right and everyone takes either one side or the other. Is anyone either apolitical or someone in the middle of both?

If you try it let me know how you get on. I dont think you can say 'I'm not bothered' forever.

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 21 Jun 20 6.44pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by sitdownstandup

Seems like most debates on here are arguments between the left and right and everyone takes either one side or the other. Is anyone either apolitical or someone in the middle of both?

Most people don't neatly fit into left or right boxes really. If you look at the polarisation of the US and the ill fitting arbitrary batches of beliefs people are expected to buy into, it becomes fascicle. There's nothing wrong with engaging your brain instead of giving in to group-think, whether left or right.

There is little about issues such as the environment, business, social issues, healthcare and so on that should demand people hold a specific view, rather than consider them on their merits. Instead some opt for a cultural cointoss and go with an off the shelf outlook. Social media and news media in general provide a biased bubble that fits prejudices and acts as a self confirmation comfort blanket. It does a disservice to the individual and to society.

 

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View sitdownstandup's Profile sitdownstandup Flag 21 Jun 20 6.48pm Send a Private Message to sitdownstandup Add sitdownstandup as a friend

No, not that I'm not bothered because whatever viewpoint you take will be aligned to one side or the other unless you are particularly diplomatic but even then it would be difficult to maintain an independent stance.

What about people whose views crossover... on some issues they are right, on others left. Sometimes they can see that both sides have valid points and don't choose to side with either but would rather see some kind of understanding develop between the 2 sides.

I don't think modern politics is geared that way though as it seems everyone is ready to disagree and argue all the time whatever the point being made is.

Edited by sitdownstandup (21 Jun 2020 7.12pm)

 


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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag croydon 21 Jun 20 6.58pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by sitdownstandup

No, not bothered because whatever viewpoint you take will be aligned to one side or the other unless you are particularly diplomatic but even then it would be difficult to maintain an independent stance.

What about people whose views crossover... on some issues they are right, on others left. Sometimes they can see that both sides have valid points and don't choose to side with either but would rather see some kind of understanding develop between the 2 sides.

I don't think modern politics is geared that way though as it seems everyone is ready to disagree and argue all the time whatever the point being made is.


It"s very hard on here not to be labelled if you don"t agree with the "herd", not the arsenal "firm", the majority, you will be called a "lefty", and so the dye is cast, on the bbs i imagine it"s the opposite from what i can gather and if you don2t run with the herd you are a nazi, but good post, i have often thought the same thing, that you have to fall in to one group or the other!

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 21 Jun 20 7.12pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by sitdownstandup

No, not bothered because whatever viewpoint you take will be aligned to one side or the other unless you are particularly diplomatic but even then it would be difficult to maintain an independent stance.

What about people whose views crossover... on some issues they are right, on others left. Sometimes they can see that both sides have valid points and don't choose to side with either but would rather see some kind of understanding develop between the 2 sides.

I don't think modern politics is geared that way though as it seems everyone is ready to disagree and argue all the time whatever the point being made is.

Most people have crossover views, some get brainwashed out of them due to a desperation or need to fit in with a group they are more closely aligned with. I'd say that you're right that modern politics doesn't work that way. Elections are often close though, so there will always be meaningful political clout to independent thought even in the presence of groupthink.

 

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In Sept 85 I went to study A levels at Croydon College. One of the subjects I picked was Government and Politics.
Most of the other students had a grasp of what politics were but I felt out of my depth.
We went on an arranged trip to hear a talk by Enoch Powell.
But he's The Rivers of Blood chap isn't he?
Yes, he is, said our lecturer but I want you all to ignore whatever you've heard about him, wipe the slate clear and listen to what he has to say without prejudice. Which, on reflection, is really good advice.
On the day, I certainly don't remember him saying anything vile. But nor do I remember him saying anything to grasp onto. It was just boring to my 17 year old ears.
I lasted a term then I quit college and got a job at Croydon Job Centre. The one opposite McDonalds, not the Wellesley Road site.
A good septuagenarian friend of mine said to me back in December, "When I was younger, I would've been really excited about tonight's election. But not these days. Whoever wins, you still get Government!"
So, for me, Politics exists to divide us and keep us arguing. It's a smokescreen designed to draw attention away from what The Powers that Be are really up to.
Phew!

 

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 21 Jun 20 7.14pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

The Conservatives are not right wing since Thatcher

She was a saint

Edited by PalazioVecchio (21 Jun 2020 8.30pm)

 


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View Laszlo Panaflex's Profile Laszlo Panaflex Flag 21 Jun 20 8.48pm Send a Private Message to Laszlo Panaflex Add Laszlo Panaflex as a friend

Both sides regularly tell me I'm wrong... that must make me neutral, right?

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 21 Jun 20 8.56pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

The left think they are right whereas the right know they are right and that the left are wrong about being right. I think this was the main reason the liberal party started.

 

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag croydon 21 Jun 20 9.04pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by Lombardinho

In Sept 85 I went to study A levels at Croydon College. One of the subjects I picked was Government and Politics.
Most of the other students had a grasp of what politics were but I felt out of my depth.
We went on an arranged trip to hear a talk by Enoch Powell.
But he's The Rivers of Blood chap isn't he?
Yes, he is, said our lecturer but I want you all to ignore whatever you've heard about him, wipe the slate clear and listen to what he has to say without prejudice. Which, on reflection, is really good advice.
On the day, I certainly don't remember him saying anything vile. But nor do I remember him saying anything to grasp onto. It was just boring to my 17 year old ears.
I lasted a term then I quit college and got a job at Croydon Job Centre. The one opposite McDonalds, not the Wellesley Road site.
A good septuagenarian friend of mine said to me back in December, "When I was younger, I would've been really excited about tonight's election. But not these days. Whoever wins, you still get Government!"
So, for me, Politics exists to divide us and keep us arguing. It's a smokescreen designed to draw attention away from what The Powers that Be are really up to.
Phew!

Good post, yes, it"s all a game, meanwhile,pm cameron, chancellor osborne and mayor boris do an illegal deal with uber and get away with it, chancellor today is worth 2 billion, and tony blair has 36 or more p[roperties, yet nobody cares, more interested in left or right!

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag Kent 21 Jun 20 9.10pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

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