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View Goal Machine's Profile Goal Machine Flag The Cronx 25 Jun 20 11.18am Send a Private Message to Goal Machine Add Goal Machine as a friend

Originally posted by NorthYorkshireEagle

I don't post very often, but read a lot of these forums, which are great (most of the time!).
I am setting myself up here, but raising it anyway!!
Zaha? Am I the only one that isn't overly excited by this frustrating player?
His stats are not great for a player in his position, and I mean the important stats - goals and assists.
60, 70, 80 million for a player that has scored 35 goals in 208 appearances and only 24 assists! bearing in mind his position. Averaging 5 goals a season and 4 assists a season - whoopee!
If you take PVA (a left back) his stats are 20 goals and 13 assists in 186 apps (Premier League) and Andros - 21 goals, 21 assists in 202 apps.
Zaha's stats are not far superior in proportion to the fuss that is made about him!
Personally, I find that when he is not on the pitch, we stop trying to hoof the ball to him every time and watch him fall over, get clattered, or give the ball away and look to play football up the pitch.
Last night bad example as Liverpool would have thumped anybody in that mood!!
Sorry if I upset the Zaha fans, but I feel we should have cashed in already. The longer he plays as he is, the less we'll get for him.


No need for an apology, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I'm in agreement with Badger here. Stats don't tell the whole story - there is too much emphasis on those.

Opposition know that if they can keep Wilf quiet, they will probably beat us. Certainly against the lesser teams, they double up on him and try to mark him out the game. There are no stats on that. That alone merits his place in the team as it frees up space for our other players.

He is so dangerous and explosive on the break and is the only player we have capable of creating something out of nothing. I agree that he is a lacking a bit in end product recently, but despite this, he's still by far our most dangerous player.

 

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View AERO's Profile AERO Flag 25 Jun 20 11.25am Send a Private Message to AERO Add AERO as a friend

Maybe offload Townsend and get another Bolasie type player in ? We were a major attacking force when those two were on it .

 

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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag People's Republic of Gozo 25 Jun 20 11.46am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

For me, you put Zaha in a team that plays on the front foot and he will thrive. For us he is often given the ball and there's no one in front of him and he then has to either take on multiple players or pass it sideways. His through balls are actually really good when he gets the chance and often spots runners, as with PvA on Saturday. Hodgson has added discipline to his game but this season our tactics have also stifled him (plus he has been out of form). The team has to come first, so I don't blame Roy for that. After he went off last night it showed how much we need him as we had zero outlet as Townsend is not very good at holding it up and is more adept at a more direct approach.

In big teams you get more chances, more of the ball and teams wouldn't be able to stick two players on him. The only way we'll ever know if he is good enough though is if he gets his chance. I do worry about his head state if he doesn't get his move this summer, but I just hope it's to a foreign team as I hate the idea of him playing against us.

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 25 Jun 20 12.36pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

With VAR I imagined him being awarded pens left right and centre but he seems scared at the thought of being in the enemies box, he needs to move on now and we need to move on without him, age is going to catch up on him whether he is or isn't with us and whilst we have Mr Hodgson as manager we need to make the changes sooner rather then later because the club will have too much on it's plate in order to survive if both are gone at the same time.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 25 Jun 20 12.37pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by NorthYorkshireEagle

I do understand that Badger.
Don't get me wrong, he's a good kid and winning fouls and holding up the ball is as important.
Maybe, just maybe we would stop relying on this one player and invest in a couple of decent players and get back to being a team.
Palace have such potential - a really good bunch.
The focus needs to come away from Zaha.

I think you hit the nail on the head. The problem isn't Zaha it is the lack of creativity and goals from midfield and the reliance on one player that is the issue.

 


One more point

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View NorthYorkshireEagle's Profile NorthYorkshireEagle Flag Bedale 25 Jun 20 12.54pm Send a Private Message to NorthYorkshireEagle Add NorthYorkshireEagle as a friend

I think it seems that the general concensus is that he needs to leave Palace behind and get in a team that has a more attacking philosophy.
It will be a shame, I admit, but times they change and move on.

 

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View viveasheagle's Profile viveasheagle Flag perth 25 Jun 20 12.57pm Send a Private Message to viveasheagle Add viveasheagle as a friend

As well as Liverpool played Palace did not create a worth while chance without Zaha. Townsend looks past his best. I love Ayew but he can't do it all by himself. It is one area we lack cover.

 

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View midlandspalace's Profile midlandspalace Flag kidderminster 25 Jun 20 1.12pm Send a Private Message to midlandspalace Add midlandspalace as a friend

We not only didn't create a chance we didn't have a single touch in Liverpool's penalty area. This is the first time for any team since this stat started being collected 11 seasons ago.

Without Zaha to hold the ball, and Benteke as a target, we found it impossible to get the ball up the pitch at all.

 

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View Plumpton eagle's Profile Plumpton eagle Flag Plumpton Green 25 Jun 20 1.25pm Send a Private Message to Plumpton eagle Add Plumpton eagle as a friend

Been going to games regularly since 1974 and Wilf is one of the few players that gets me to sit forward when he gets the ball. I don't have them to hand but I bet our stats with Wilf in the team are hugely better than those when he is not.

Having seen so many honest, hard working "journeymen" at Palace I rejoice that we have one player that sets the pulses racing.

Maybe he does need to move on to be recognised as a truly great player but I will be very downhearted the day that happens.

 

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View NorthYorkshireEagle's Profile NorthYorkshireEagle Flag Bedale 25 Jun 20 1.35pm Send a Private Message to NorthYorkshireEagle Add NorthYorkshireEagle as a friend

You mean to say that Lee Sinnot didn't set your pulse racing - you must have ice running through your veins!!

Originally posted by Plumpton eagle

Been going to games regularly since 1974 and Wilf is one of the few players that gets me to sit forward when he gets the ball. I don't have them to hand but I bet our stats with Wilf in the team are hugely better than those when he is not.

Having seen so many honest, hard working "journeymen" at Palace I rejoice that we have one player that sets the pulses racing.

Maybe he does need to move on to be recognised as a truly great player but I will be very downhearted the day that happens.

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 25 Jun 20 1.37pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Stats don't always tell the full story. Zaha has his shortcomings I agree but there is stuff you can't really put a stat against:

- He is an outlet, give him the ball in a tight position and he will hold onto it, beat his men, run the clock down or get fouled, that takes the pressure off the rest of the team.

- Opposition tactics. Other teams have to setup up to handle him this normally means 2 / 3 players on him all the time which makes space for the rest of our team.

- He wins fouls in dangerous places.

I think we will miss him when he goes.


Edited by Badger11 (25 Jun 2020 10.00am)

Good post. Not everything is easily quantifiable and for all of the baggage he brings, he'd leave a big role to fill in his absence.

 

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View Lombardinho's Profile Lombardinho Flag London 25 Jun 20 2.12pm Send a Private Message to Lombardinho Add Lombardinho as a friend

Originally posted by Plumpton eagle

Been going to games regularly since 1974 and Wilf is one of the few players that gets me to sit forward when he gets the ball. I don't have them to hand but I bet our stats with Wilf in the team are hugely better than those when he is not.

Having seen so many honest, hard working "journeymen" at Palace I rejoice that we have one player that sets the pulses racing.

Maybe he does need to move on to be recognised as a truly great player but I will be very downhearted the day that happens.

Absolutely right, Plumpton.
The excitement and joy Wilf brings to watching football is unique.
Who cares about stats?

 

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