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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 03 Jul 20 8.52am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Are you serious?
The Championship is a different world.

Ideally, I never want to be exposed to that standard of football ever again.

Deadly serious. We will never be a top 6 club without an Abramovich or similar buying us so I would much rather see us fighting for a title one league down than playing the monotonous shiite at home we have had to experience. We just make up the numbers in the PL and to see us struggling week in week out is not that great.

When you are saying you donít want to witness that standard of football again, well you do already, because the bottom 12 or 13 teams in the PL play no better than the top 12 or13 in the Championship.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag Kent 03 Jul 20 9.39am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Deadly serious. We will never be a top 6 club without an Abramovich or similar buying us so I would much rather see us fighting for a title one league down than playing the monotonous shiite at home we have had to experience. We just make up the numbers in the PL and to see us struggling week in week out is not that great.

When you are saying you donít want to witness that standard of football again, well you do already, because the bottom 12 or 13 teams in the PL play no better than the top 12 or13 in the Championship.

That's more than a slight exaggeration.

Norwich walked the Championship last year and are going straight back down with a whimper.

The PL is a far higher standard, I've seen more flair and excitement at Sunday League matches then at some Palace games but the actual quality of the players and the tactical side of the game are at the highest level.

If we go down, I don't think we'll be challenging for a title, we'd be play-off hopefuls possibly and what would the excitement of that be? To get back in the PL where we already are.

 


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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 03 Jul 20 10.02am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

That's more than a slight exaggeration.

Norwich walked the Championship last year and are going straight back down with a whimper.

The PL is a far higher standard, I've seen more flair and excitement at Sunday League matches then at some Palace games but the actual quality of the players and the tactical side of the game are at the highest level.

If we go down, I don't think we'll be challenging for a title, we'd be play-off hopefuls possibly and what would the excitement of that be? To get back in the PL where we already are.

I can accept that argument but I am of the opinion that there are 8 or 9 teams max who can get into the Champions League and the rest might as well be playing in the Championship. One swallow doesn't make a summer as Norwich have found out, but Wolves are different as are Burnley, as are Sheffield Utd. They made it up and stayed up, but mostly because them along with us and others can only really beat each other. Wolves are trying to push on with their new found wealth but they are finding it tough. Everton can't break into that top level. Spending money is no guarantee of success either unless it is a massive amount.

As for your last paragraph, is that because the teams in the Championship are harder to beat?

 

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View crvenaeagle's Profile crvenaeagle Flag 03 Jul 20 10.14am Send a Private Message to crvenaeagle Add crvenaeagle as a friend

f***in' hell a few days ago you lot were all talking about Europe
I see why they call us a yo-yo club now, not because of our league stati, but because of you wallies.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag Kent 03 Jul 20 10.18am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

I can accept that argument but I am of the opinion that there are 8 or 9 teams max who can get into the Champions League and the rest might as well be playing in the Championship. One swallow doesn't make a summer as Norwich have found out, but Wolves are different as are Burnley, as are Sheffield Utd. They made it up and stayed up, but mostly because them along with us and others can only really beat each other. Wolves are trying to push on with their new found wealth but they are finding it tough. Everton can't break into that top level. Spending money is no guarantee of success either unless it is a massive amount.

As for your last paragraph, is that because the teams in the Championship are harder to beat?

No, it's because we would lose a lot of our players and would probably struggle to finance or attract suitable replacements. Team/club morale may also be an issue.

I do get where you're coming from, the excitement of the championship is greater than that of mid-table PL obscurity for me.

What I am arguing though is that our goal will or would always be to get back to where we are now.

It's in no way guaranteed and may be a bit fanciful, but with where we are now we may be better off financially at worst and at best have the chance to compete in one of the best leagues in the world with possible improved chances of a decent cup run or, who knows, Europe.

There's also the fact that we are on TV a lot more now than we would be as a championship side (I am a ST holder and do get to a few away games in case that question pops up), we are on MOTD, have a higher status than our traditional rivals and we occasionally get to beat the likes of Man U, Arsenal, West Ham, even City and Liverpool etc which were only pipe dreams for me for a number of years.

Summarily, I do get your point so not shooting it down, I just think despite the frequent lows we've experienced in the last few years we should not lose sight of what we have now.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 03 Jul 20 10.23am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Deadly serious. We will never be a top 6 club without an Abramovich or similar buying us so I would much rather see us fighting for a title one league down than playing the monotonous shiite at home we have had to experience. We just make up the numbers in the PL and to see us struggling week in week out is not that great.

When you are saying you donít want to witness that standard of football again, well you do already, because the bottom 12 or 13 teams in the PL play no better than the top 12 or13 in the Championship.

That just isn't true. I have watched years of Championship football and the difference is enormous.

The hard part of lower league is the number of games but the quality of players is way below the PL. Look at the squad that came up and then compare it to what we have now and we are just a bang average PL team.

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Sutton Coldfield 03 Jul 20 10.31am Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

I've just been a saddo and done a bit of research on teams promoted to the Prem who were relegated the NEXT season. it doesn't make pretty reading

No. of times ALL promoted teams stayed up = 3
No. of times 1 team went down next season = 13
No. of times 2 teams went down next season = 9
No. of times 3 teams went down next season = 1

in other words, promoted teams struggle to stay up and we will see the same again this year with Norwich (probably) and Villa (possibly) dropping down.

The gulf between top six of Championship and bottom half of Premier League is significant.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 03 Jul 20 10.33am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

In summary it seems those on this thread are divided into two camps
- those that want to stay up at any cost , even if the football is dire, and see Hodgson as the best way to meet that objective
- those that want some more attacking football, to see other players given a chance and more than just Plan A in terms of tactical approach.
Of course it is always possible to stay up in the latter case but some donít want to take that risk.
For me some of my best memories as a supporter came outside the Premier League (the Allison / Venables teams, the Coppell promotion, the team cobbled together from waifs and strays for the most recent promotion) so I am not necessarily wedded to the Premier League.
For supporters of more recent vintage who only know the Premier League I can understand their fears, even if I donít suffer from them.

 

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View palace chick's Profile palace chick Flag South Croydon 03 Jul 20 10.34am Send a Private Message to palace chick Add palace chick as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

No, it's because we would lose a lot of our players and would probably struggle to finance or attract suitable replacements. Team/club morale may also be an issue.

I do get where you're coming from, the excitement of the championship is greater than that of mid-table PL obscurity for me.

What I am arguing though is that our goal will or would always be to get back to where we are now.

It's in no way guaranteed and may be a bit fanciful, but with where we are now we may be better off financially at worst and at best have the chance to compete in one of the best leagues in the world with possible improved chances of a decent cup run or, who knows, Europe.

There's also the fact that we are on TV a lot more now than we would be as a championship side (I am a ST holder and do get to a few away games in case that question pops up), we are on MOTD, have a higher status than our traditional rivals and we occasionally get to beat the likes of Man U, Arsenal, West Ham, even City and Liverpool etc which were only pipe dreams for me for a number of years.

Summarily, I do get your point so not shooting it down, I just think despite the frequent lows we've experienced in the last few years we should not lose sight of what we have now.

We need to stay in the prem for the reasons in the second to last paragraph. The prem is the place to be, it gives us a high profile. But times like now and perhaps the remainder of this season I understand why fans would like us back in the championship as winning more matches makes our weekends better. Not sure though that if we go down we wouldnít do a Charlton or Millwall and fall even further backwards?

 

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Originally posted by doombear

I've just been a saddo and done a bit of research on teams promoted to the Prem who were relegated the NEXT season. it doesn't make pretty reading

No. of times ALL promoted teams stayed up = 3
No. of times 1 team went down next season = 13
No. of times 2 teams went down next season = 9
No. of times 3 teams went down next season = 1

in other words, promoted teams struggle to stay up and we will see the same again this year with Norwich (probably) and Villa (possibly) dropping down.

The gulf between top six of Championship and bottom half of Premier League is significant.

All 3 promoted teams were relegated in 1998 including us I think.

Of course, you could look at it another way.

No. of times ALL promoted teams stayed up = 3/27 = 11%
No. of times at least 2 team stayed up = 16/27 = 55%
No. of times at least 1 teams stayed up = 25/27 = 90%
No. of times 0 teams stayed up teams went down next season = 1/27 =3%

I've just put in rough figures for the percentages.

Sould be noted that most teams are attcking sides every week in the championship then suddenly have to switch to putting everyone behind the ball in the premiership.

Due to the play-offs you could end up with teams in 6th place coming up too. Who may otherwise be miles away from the automatic places.

If normally at least one team stays up, then there probably isnt that much difference between the bottom 10 of the premiership and top 6 of the championship.

*This is the 28th premier league season, I assume you probably haven't included the first season. We were relegated 4th from bottom in 1995 too, normally we would have been safe.

 

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View Painter's Profile Painter Flag Croydon 03 Jul 20 1.27pm Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

I can accept that argument but I am of the opinion that there are 8 or 9 teams max who can get into the Champions League and the rest might as well be playing in the Championship. One swallow doesn't make a summer as Norwich have found out, but Wolves are different as are Burnley, as are Sheffield Utd. They made it up and stayed up, but mostly because them along with us and others can only really beat each other. Wolves are trying to push on with their new found wealth but they are finding it tough. Everton can't break into that top level. Spending money is no guarantee of success either unless it is a massive amount.

As for your last paragraph, is that because the teams in the Championship are harder to beat?

Your promise land of the championship isnít the wonderful place you seem to think. Half of the clubs are in debt up to their eyeballs, the standard is overall poor, if we do well we end up back in the Premier again, so whatís the point in trying to win games. We go up like Notwich and Villa ,the gulf is so big now between the leagues, only a few survive. Sheffield Utd have done well this season, but the second season generally catches up with them.
Clubs bigger than Palace have gone down, never to see the Premier again and have all struggled ie Leeds and Forrest.

Be careful what you wish for!

 

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View rollercoaster's Profile rollercoaster Flag Cornwall 03 Jul 20 2.33pm Send a Private Message to rollercoaster Add rollercoaster as a friend

I think we can all agree that we want to see sustainable attacking football from our team we just cannot agree the best way of achieving it and how quickly we should achieve it.

Actually if anybody really knew how to achieve it without spending a billion .....

 

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