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View cpj's Profile cpj Flag Kent 06 Jul 20 1.58pm Send a Private Message to cpj Add cpj as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I donít know how many times Iíve posted this on this thread: we have stayed up ourselves, numerous times over the past few years, playing infinitely better football than we do now. Every single season, the teams who finish 10th-17th have comparable budgets to us, and 90% of those play better football than we do now. Call that 6 or 7 teams a season, over 7 seasons, and youíre talking the best part of 50 teams.

This season weíve turned out, by any statistical measure, is one of the dullest you would ever see at this level (assuming you see goals scored and chances created as entertaining).

Why is it unrealistic to think we could achieve something we, and countless others, already have done on a similar budget?

Those defending Hodgson seem to have invented this straw man argument that we want gun ho football and the only alternative to what we do now is to play suicide football. I havenít seen anyone suggesting that.


On a separate point; judging spending based on a single transfer window (or even season) in isolation is pretty pointless - Liverpool spent nothing this year, but have racked up £300m in the 2 years prior, so the total spend across the last few years is still very high. You donít just sign a player for one year.

Similarly, we might have spent little of late, but we had a few year spell where we were amongst the highest spenders outside of the top 8
. This idea that our team is so much weaker than our competitors is pure fantasy, and only used to defend an illogical position that Hodgson is working miracles.


Indeed, our team on Saturday still cost over £100m.

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 06 Jul 20 2.37pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I am not convinced about this at all.
We have an ageing squad in the twilight of their careers.

They are ageing, yes, and thatís a huge problem for the next few years, but itís nothing more than an excuse for this season.

Only Cahill and Dann are over 32 in terms of outfield players.

Macca is 32, and then almost everyone else falls between 27-30, which is generally considered a players peak years.

 

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View Skip's Profile Skip Flag bexley 06 Jul 20 2.40pm Send a Private Message to Skip Add Skip as a friend

Before the Burnley game I was on the fence about another season with Roy. I now believe it may be a good time to replace him.

He can't be blamed for two goalkeeping howlers in two games, or Sakho gifting a goal after slipping over. It is noticeable how badly he gets his substitutions wrong. We were losing to Leicester and his first two players on were defensive midfielders. I have no idea how introducing James McCarthy is going to make a difference. I don't really want to see my team go 1-0 down but continue to try and keep things tight in the hope we might nick one.

My main disappointment is how contradictory the club are to ask supporters to donate their season ticket refunds towards the Academy, but employs a manager who refuses to properly give the best of what is coming through a proper chance.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Jul 20 2.45pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

They are ageing, yes, and thatís a huge problem for the next few years, but itís nothing more than an excuse for this season.

Only Cahill and Dann are over 32 in terms of outfield players.

Macca is 32, and then almost everyone else falls between 27-30, which is generally considered a players peak years.

Van Aanholt is 30 this year as is McCarthy,Kelly and Benteke. Ward, Tomkins, Sakho, Kouyate are all in their 30s.A fair few nearer 30 than 27!


Edited by Willo (06 Jul 2020 2.47pm)

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Jul 20 2.51pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Skip

Before the Burnley game I was on the fence about another season with Roy. I now believe it may be a good time to replace him.

He can't be blamed for two goalkeeping howlers in two games, or Sakho gifting a goal after slipping over. It is noticeable how badly he gets his substitutions wrong. We were losing to Leicester and his first two players on were defensive midfielders. I have no idea how introducing James McCarthy is going to make a difference. I don't really want to see my team go 1-0 down but continue to try and keep things tight in the hope we might nick one.

My main disappointment is how contradictory the club are to ask supporters to donate their season ticket refunds towards the Academy, but employs a manager who refuses to properly give the best of what is coming through a proper chance.

He clearly feels that they are not good enough to warrant a place in the team.
Is there any Academy player 'Knocking on the door' to replace an experienced PL player?
The sole objective is to ensure we survive in the PL.

Edited by Willo (06 Jul 2020 2.55pm)

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Sutton Coldfield 06 Jul 20 3.35pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

I was fascinated at how Soton played Citeh yesterday. They were set up knowing that they wouldn't see a great deal of the ball but were intent on driving forward as quickly as possible whenever they did have it and had a bit of space to work with. Yes, it was amazing how Citeh didn't manage to score but Soton, who had little to play for, gave their all and had more attempts on the Citeh goal than we have managed in our last three games.

in their game against the champions, Villa had a go whenever they could and pressed Liverpool into errors.

As for Palace, in our last 3 games, we've run around like headless chickens, seem surprised when we have the ball and are not too sure what to do with it apart from 'pass it to Wilf'.

I can accept that we don't have great options on the attacking front but surely we can learn to use the ball better when we do have it.

I'm sorry but if what we have now is the squad we take into next season then in the words of Private Frazer 'we're doomed' irrespective of whether Roy or someone else is manager.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 06 Jul 20 3.59pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

I agree with the observations about how Southampton and Villa approached these games.
The fact is Benteke, Townsend and Zaha have all gone backwards under Hodgson partly because we are so defensive and are reluctant to play in the opposition half as we are determined to remain compact in our own half and not risk players venturing forward.
Arguably the only player to improve under Hodgson is Ayew which Iím afraid is not much of a legacy for a miracle worker.

 

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View Den1923's Profile Den1923 Flag 06 Jul 20 4.13pm Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

Originally posted by doombear

I was fascinated at how Soton played Citeh yesterday. They were set up knowing that they wouldn't see a great deal of the ball but were intent on driving forward as quickly as possible whenever they did have it and had a bit of space to work with. Yes, it was amazing how Citeh didn't manage to score but Soton, who had little to play for, gave their all and had more attempts on the Citeh goal than we have managed in our last three games.

in their game against the champions, Villa had a go whenever they could and pressed Liverpool into errors.

As for Palace, in our last 3 games, we've run around like headless chickens, seem surprised when we have the ball and are not too sure what to do with it apart from 'pass it to Wilf'.

I can accept that we don't have great options on the attacking front but surely we can learn to use the ball better when we do have it.

I'm sorry but if what we have now is the squad we take into next season then in the words of Private Frazer 'we're doomed' irrespective of whether Roy or someone else is manager.

You are so correct, however it's not Roy who is to blame,
as some have suggested,his options are limited. He has asked for reinforcements in past transfer windows but has had little support from the board. Its is Freemans job to source what Roy has asked for and for Parish to agree terms. Despite not getting what he has asked for, Roy has not thrown his toys out the pram and stormed off like others before him. Give the man credit for what he has done with a very average squad. There are teams this season that have played better than us, but they will still be relegated. We do need to have succession plans for replacing Roy over the next 12 months, due to his age
but that is easier said than done as no reputable Manager is going to come to this club until the board invest smartly in strengthening this team with a blend of talented younger players and of course some older experienced players.

 

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Love him or hate him Roy has done a job using the good old trusted tools,But sadly he wont try new tools.

You have managers who move with the times and some that dont and Roy doesnt he is stuck with a commodore 64 or should i say a 73 while others have Dell,Hp and so on.

We have kids who sit on the bench looking totally pissed off,its a case of use them or lose them which is another step backwards,think Zaha would love to get the ball look up and see a player running past him so he can do a killing pass,instead of look up look backwards for players to catch him up,Pierrick is mega quick and strong

So,sorry Roy time to go,then the big one who next if we could get i would let Gerard have a go, Dyhce is a younger Roy so a no there,or get Garth,no matter who comes in we will find fault on this site

 

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View Den1923's Profile Den1923 Flag 06 Jul 20 4.32pm Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

Originally posted by michaelpearce

Love him or hate him Roy has done a job using the good old trusted tools,But sadly he wont try new tools.

You have managers who move with the times and some that dont and Roy doesnt he is stuck with a commodore 64 or should i say a 73 while others have Dell,Hp and so on.

We have kids who sit on the bench looking totally pissed off,its a case of use them or lose them which is another step backwards,think Zaha would love to get the ball look up and see a player running past him so he can do a killing pass,instead of look up look backwards for players to catch him up,Pierrick is mega quick and strong

So,sorry Roy time to go,then the big one who next if we could get i would let Gerard have a go, Dyhce is a younger Roy so a no there,or get Garth,no matter who comes in we will find fault on this site

AT the end of next season may be yes due to his age. However, in order to attract a manager of any quality you need to have in place a team that can survive in the PL, the current team look dead certs for relegation next year (hopefully I will be wrong), what we do need however is a couple of smart transfers windows to get a decent striker, attacking midfielder and a quality replacement for AWB. Anything else would be a bonus.

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 06 Jul 20 4.41pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Van Aanholt is 30 this year as is McCarthy,Kelly and Benteke. Ward, Tomkins, Sakho, Kouyate are all in their 30s.A fair few nearer 30 than 27!


Edited by Willo (06 Jul 2020 2.47pm)

So as I said, everyone else falls within 27-30...

Players donít start declining because theyíre nearly 30.

 

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View cpj's Profile cpj Flag Kent 06 Jul 20 4.45pm Send a Private Message to cpj Add cpj as a friend

Originally posted by Den1923

You are so correct, however it's not Roy who is to blame,
as some have suggested,his options are limited. He has asked for reinforcements in past transfer windows but has had little support from the board. Its is Freemans job to source what Roy has asked for and for Parish to agree terms. Despite not getting what he has asked for, Roy has not thrown his toys out the pram and stormed off like others before him. Give the man credit for what he has done with a very average squad. There are teams this season that have played better than us, but they will still be relegated. We do need to have succession plans for replacing Roy over the next 12 months, due to his age
but that is easier said than done as no reputable Manager is going to come to this club until the board invest smartly in strengthening this team with a blend of talented younger players and of course some older experienced players.

Roy had been after McCarthy for ages and got his man last summer - says it all really.

 

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