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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Jul 20 7.33pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Nothing to do with putting the Prem's top striker on corner duty, thus making life easier for the opposition defenders I presume

I have already commented on this.
Kane was deemed the best deliverer of a ball and there were others who had the ability to attack the ball in the area.

 

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View Painter's Profile Painter Flag Croydon 13 Jul 20 7.34pm Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

I really don't buy the "poor Roy, he's had no funds, he's adapted the tactics to the squad available" BS. As manager of England he had the cream of the crop from which to select, because of his tactics he turned what looked a fairly decent team on paper into a laughing stock. Roy Hodgson is the problem, stop making excuses for his negativity. Kane on corners? Need a goal? McCarthy for McArthur? Should be given a fond farewell and move on.

Why is it a problem keeping us in the Premier. It appears your the one with negativity.

 

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View Rachid Rachid Rachid's Profile Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 13 Jul 20 8.42pm Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

this is where the owners need to sell a vision and longterm plan for Palace to get someone interested, and marry that with the prospective manager's football philosophy and vision. Like what we did with FDB but we need to give another manager a chance and learn from what didn't work for FDB. The process was right, the appointment was not so it needs tweaking not scrapping completely.

Will probably have to give Roy a pay-off given that he's got a contract extension. More madness from the business-running side of things

That was my point really. The owners can't sell much a vision when everybody knows some of them want out.

There's a lot of talk about overhaul this and overhaul that but with the prospect of a shorter pre-season, everyone being strapped for cash and an ageing, unbalanced squad it's difficult to see a way out. Constant references to wage bills etc are a complete red herring as so many players have been with the club a while and are on the way down or have become injury prone (or have been plain crap).

Dyche's name keeps getting thrown about but he appears to have had a breakdown in relationship with the Burnley owner over resources and we've got previous for similar.

I also seem to recall (correct me if I'm wrong) that one of the Palace supporting journos tweeted or reported that Dyche had been interviewed at the time of the De Boer fiasco but was discounted very quickly afterwards.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 13 Jul 20 9.12pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

The heading of this thread is to ask if itís time for Hodgson to go.
In my opinion yes.
I have read all the posts and have seen no persuasive or coherent argument otherwise.
I was happy with Roy in his first season and thought he did a very good job and made the best use of his squad.
We also played some decent football.
The best of Hodgson if you like.
However, this season we have seen the worst of him and I donít see the situation improving under him and would not wish to entrust the required refresh and rebuild of the squad to him.

 

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View nead1's Profile nead1 Flag 13 Jul 20 9.30pm Send a Private Message to nead1 Add nead1 as a friend

And in my opinion it's a No. Football is a game of opinions after all! But let's look at some of the reasons -

a coach of huge experience who knows football more than most of us could ever dream of
a coach who doesn't panic under pressure. How many people would have walked into Palace after 7 games, no points, no goals and comfortably kept us up
(c) tactically astute. Look at the wins over Man City, Arsenal, Man Utd - to name a few
(d) the players respect him and his methods. No hint of dressing room issues have emerged under Roy

Of course, the past 5 games have been pretty dreadful but it needs to be balanced in the round. We were safe with 8 games to go and the circumstances of Covid make the games feel like friendlies. Roy knows the squad needs freshening up as he has said so often enough; he also knows the kind of younger players who are likely to work. I would certainly trust his judgement in the market and its most unlikely he would have gone after the likes of Benteke or Sakko - two of the three big earners - in my judgement.

 

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View eaglesdare's Profile eaglesdare Flag 13 Jul 20 9.30pm Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

I'm happy with Roy! I really really really really really really really don't want to do a Charlton! &#128584;

Even West Ham have tried moving to the "next level" and it's almost costing them!

I'm happy to loose a few, win a few, loose a few and win a few! It happens it's football! If I wanted entertaining football and win every week I would have supported a top 4 team! Im happy to fly over every 2 weeks to watch Palace win, loose or draw! Whatever football we play I'm just happy to watch them play! :-)

For me these are the good times! I'm happy enough!

 

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View robdave2k's Profile robdave2k Flag Corby 13 Jul 20 9.33pm Send a Private Message to robdave2k Add robdave2k as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Players train hard, are well prepared and know their jobs, but sometimes due to a variety of reasons they just don't deliver when they cross that white line much to the frustration of the manager.

And all of them froze in 2014 and 2016.

Liverpool players freely admit they didnít enjoy it under Hodgson.

Common denominator? Hmmmmmmmm

Man calls you a horse - punch him in the face

Second man calls you a horse - call him an idiot

Third man calls you a horse - time to get fitted with a saddle.

 

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View Brinscall Eagle's Profile Brinscall Eagle Flag Brinscall Lancashire/ Villamartin ... 13 Jul 20 9.37pm Send a Private Message to Brinscall Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Brinscall Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

The heading of this thread is to ask if itís time for Hodgson to go.
In my opinion yes.
I have read all the posts and have seen no persuasive or coherent argument otherwise.
I was happy with Roy in his first season and thought he did a very good job and made the best use of his squad.
We also played some decent football.
The best of Hodgson if you like.
However, this season we have seen the worst of him and I donít see the situation improving under him and would not wish to entrust the required refresh and rebuild of the squad to him.

Is it the worst of the players we have seen rather than the worst of the manager. After all Royís game plan has not changed much ever since he came. Surely it is the playerís performances which are the greater variable

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 13 Jul 20 10.00pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

Comes back to accountability of the manager.
Canít give Hodgson a free pass because of the players .
He selects them, coaches them and is supposed to motivate them.
This is surely what management is all about .
In my view part of the reason why Townsend and Zaha have failed this season is because of the defensive positions they are required to take during the majority of the games.
This has to be down to Hodgson and is part of the reason we carry no threat or thrust in the wide areas.
We also are extremely conservative in our midfield play.
I cannot accept that Hodgson bears no responsibility.

 

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View KAOS's Profile KAOS Online Flag In a tree 13 Jul 20 10.13pm Send a Private Message to KAOS Add KAOS as a friend

My instinct is to say no to getting rid of Roy. However, if we lose the remaining games (quite likely looking at the opposition) then I wouldnít argue with him leaving by mutual consent.

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 13 Jul 20 11.22pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

I really don't buy the "poor Roy, he's had no funds, he's adapted the tactics to the squad available" BS. As manager of England he had the cream of the crop from which to select, because of his tactics he turned what looked a fairly decent team on paper into a laughing stock. Roy Hodgson is the problem, stop making excuses for his negativity. Kane on corners? Need a goal? McCarthy for McArthur? Should be given a fond farewell and move on.

We had eighteen shots at their goal and only four were on target, please explain how Hodgson made the cream of the crop miss the target completely fourteen times.
It was reported and very easy to find that the England players let Mr Hodgson badly down that day.

Against Liverpool they really turned up and we lost Zaha after ten mins, Burnley we lost because Guaita made a mistake and Ayew missed a sitter, against Leicester we made two horrendous mistakes for their first two goals leaving us too much to do, Chelsea we scored two which made our performance look better although our defending was again horrendous, Villa's first goal was a result of terrible marking allowing a simple strike at our goal and I thought Villa got away with a full on wind up through out the whole match, all these games apart from Liverpool were lost because of bloody awful individual mistakes, we rely on not making all these mistakes and I fail to see how any of them came be blamed on our manager.

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 13 Jul 20 11.31pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by KAOS

My instinct is to say no to getting rid of Roy. However, if we lose the remaining games (quite likely looking at the opposition) then I wouldnít argue with him leaving by mutual consent.

Why would he do that, he has done a miraculous job with the squad, how can we be so awful with backing a manager that is Palace through and through. We can beat Moan.U tonight they were poor at the end against Southampton who I thought looked extremely average with some dreadful passing and we can beat Wolves in the same way we beat them last season, Spurs look awful.

We should back our manager.

 

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