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View cpj's Profile cpj Flag Kent 14 Jul 20 12.32pm Send a Private Message to cpj Add cpj as a friend

Originally posted by Den1923

Whilst I fully understand your sentiments viz recent performances. You are talking about a Manager who has done wonders in keeping this club up without much support from above in terms of team investment. Please also remember that his win rate with us is circa 42% and with England it was over 58%. So pretty good all round there!

Broadly this same team tried to play expansive attacking football under FdB and look at what happened and as a result Roy was parachuted in and quickly identified the best way to play to the strengths of the team he had and as a result has kept us in the PL and with much the same team selection options for the last three years earning the club significant revenue.

At Villa. he was not slow in making changes and if I remember right he identified some weakness in our play that the first half and immediately made two changes at half time and then within the allowed time frame during the 2nd half.

if you are looking to apportion blame, which as a supporter I perfectly understand, then please look no further than SP/DF because Roy has made it perfectly clear over several transfer windows what strengthening the team required and yet he has not been well supported at all, despite this has stuck to the task when other in the past have walked away.

As Willo has said many times on this thread these are strange times with loads of games in quick succession following a long lay off and therefore there is also match fitness to consider in an aging team playing in the heat of our summer.

Let us all hope that we can get 4/5 smartly sourced players in the transfer window that is about to open and then hopefully we may be able to start scoring again.

It waas 1 change at h-t - JMc for JMc

 

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View spartakev2's Profile spartakev2 Flag Anerley 14 Jul 20 12.37pm Send a Private Message to spartakev2 Add spartakev2 as a friend

Originally posted by Den1923

Whilst I fully understand your sentiments viz recent performances. You are talking about a Manager who has done wonders in keeping this club up without much support from above in terms of team investment. Please also remember that his win rate with us is circa 42% and with England it was over 58%. So pretty good all round there!

Broadly this same team tried to play expansive attacking football under FdB and look at what happened and as a result Roy was parachuted in and quickly identified the best way to play to the strengths of the team he had and as a result has kept us in the PL and with much the same team selection options for the last three years earning the club significant revenue.

At Villa. he was not slow in making changes and if I remember right he identified some weakness in our play that the first half and immediately made two changes at half time and then within the allowed time frame during the 2nd half.

if you are looking to apportion blame, which as a supporter I perfectly understand, then please look no further than SP/DF because Roy has made it perfectly clear over several transfer windows what strengthening the team required and yet he has not been well supported at all, despite this has stuck to the task when other in the past have walked away.

As Willo has said many times on this thread these are strange times with loads of games in quick succession following a long lay off and therefore there is also match fitness to consider in an aging team playing in the heat of our summer.

Let us all hope that we can get 4/5 smartly sourced players in the transfer window that is about to open and then hopefully we may be able to start scoring again.

this is my biggest problem at the moment. we are safe from relegation. we have an ageing squad, and yet he continues to play the same team. Just cannot understand why he doesn't change it up a bit. Let's face it, it couldn't go any worse. Reidewald played brilliantly when he stepped in at left back, and has played well the odd chance he's had in midfield, PVA has been poor lately, but stays in the team. James Macarthy had a good run, while Milo was out. Milo has been awful lately but still starts. Macartur looks absolutely knackered, but still starts, why not give max a run. Ward looks really poor, but there's no replacement, although reidewald might do a better job there. Then theres the kids on the bench, who must be wondering what they have to do to get a chance. I just don't understand what's going on

 

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View Den1923's Profile Den1923 Flag 14 Jul 20 12.40pm Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

Originally posted by cpj

It waas 1 change at h-t - JMc for JMc

Thanks for that you are correct it was McCarthy 45, Riedewald 65, Townsend 65 and Meyer 75, so all changes at reasonable intervals!

 

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View Den1923's Profile Den1923 Flag 14 Jul 20 12.49pm Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

Originally posted by spartakev2

this is my biggest problem at the moment. we are safe from relegation. we have an ageing squad, and yet he continues to play the same team. Just cannot understand why he doesn't change it up a bit. Let's face it, it couldn't go any worse. Reidewald played brilliantly when he stepped in at left back, and has played well the odd chance he's had in midfield, PVA has been poor lately, but stays in the team. James Macarthy had a good run, while Milo was out. Milo has been awful lately but still starts. Macartur looks absolutely knackered, but still starts, why not give max a run. Ward looks really poor, but there's no replacement, although reidewald might do a better job there. Then theres the kids on the bench, who must be wondering what they have to do to get a chance. I just don't understand what's going on

I perfectly understand your views and you make valid points, Riedewald and Meyer need to be given a chance but I suspect it is the balance of the team and the tactical options he has with certain that is the problem and of course injuries.

The youngsters, he clearly thinks they are not ready yet and he may be right because the U23 have not been playing well being 2nd to bottom of their league with fairly modest opposition and no stand out striker (27 goals for the whole playing period, so the same problem as the first team, can't score!).

I think our only hope is some new players to increase his options as its is so important for the clubs future that we retain our PL status.

 

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View cpj's Profile cpj Flag Kent 14 Jul 20 12.54pm Send a Private Message to cpj Add cpj as a friend

Originally posted by Den1923

Thanks for that you are correct it was McCarthy 45, Riedewald 65, Townsend 65 and Meyer 75, so all changes at reasonable intervals!

But they were all like-for-like changes (except Meyer when it's too late)!

Edited by cpj (14 Jul 2020 12.55pm)

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Jul 20 12.57pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Den1923

I perfectly understand your views and you make valid points, Riedewald and Meyer need to be given a chance but I suspect it is the balance of the team and the tactical options he has with certain that is the problem and of course injuries.

The youngsters, he clearly thinks they are not ready yet and he may be right because the U23 have not been playing well being 2nd to bottom of their league with fairly modest opposition and no stand out striker (27 goals for the whole playing period, so the same problem as the first team, can't score!).

I think our only hope is some new players to increase his options as its is so important for the clubs future that we retain our PL status.

You have made some valid points.
I tip my hat.

 

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View Den1923's Profile Den1923 Flag 14 Jul 20 1.41pm Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

Originally posted by cpj

But they were all like-for-like changes (except Meyer when it's too late)!

Edited by cpj (14 Jul 2020 12.55pm)

I fully agree Meyer does need a good extended run and therefore IMO as yet has not be given a fair chance to get used to the pace of PL football. However, Roy has to get the balance right and the current squad gives little tactical options as under FdV virtually the same players tried to play expansive football and they just could not adapt and ended up leaking goals, they still could not score goals and we just lost game after game. With the current squad generally, we are better at the defensive game (recent games excepted), than we are as an attacking force and that is the urgent problem that needs sorting with some new players added to the squad.

 

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View Brinscall Eagle's Profile Brinscall Eagle Flag Brinscall Lancashire/ Villamartin ... 14 Jul 20 1.45pm Send a Private Message to Brinscall Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Brinscall Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

Some seem to be taking the view that he should stay, regardless of poor performance , in the absence of an obvious candidate to replace him.
In that case should we give him a 10 year contract???
Patently this is absurd and Parish should be looking at succession planning anyway as Hodgson only has another year anyway.
There would be no shortage of candidates for a mid table London based Premier club that has just been awarded Category A status.
I think Hodgson will stay, but if we do finish with 8 defeats and the players continue to demonstrate the ill discipline and body language shown against Villa the board will have a decision to make.

Agreed we are at a crossroads the Club has got to make careful purchases during this window ,with or without Roy , as they need to address the weaknesses and the age of the squad. I do think however the way we have been performing it will be 8 losses , not many managers survive that but I think Roy will get another year.
COYP

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 14 Jul 20 1.56pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by cpj

It waas 1 change at h-t - JMc for JMc

It must take years of finely tuned tactical acumen to pull that one off

 

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View Jacey's Profile Jacey Flag 14 Jul 20 2.18pm Send a Private Message to Jacey Add Jacey as a friend

Originally posted by Brinscall Eagle

Agreed we are at a crossroads the Club has got to make careful purchases during this window ,with or without Roy , as they need to address the weaknesses and the age of the squad. I do think however the way we have been performing it will be 8 losses , not many managers survive that but I think Roy will get another year.
COYP

8 losses,if indeed that happens,is totally unacceptable and Roy should do the honourable thing and retire.

 

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View Den1923's Profile Den1923 Flag 14 Jul 20 2.49pm Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

Originally posted by Jacey

8 losses,if indeed that happens,is totally unacceptable and Roy should do the honourable thing and retire.

Given the fixtures we have left that is entirely possible and whilst it would be hard to take as I have said before Roy has little options due to lack of investment in the team for sometime now and injuries to key players and others that should be performing better than they are currently like key first team players, Sakho, Benteke Milo and even Saha to name a few. This could lead to the perfect storm and the thought of 8 losses become a real possibility but it would not be the end of the world and we will still be PL next season. We certainly do not want Roy to go until the end of next season.If he were to retire as you suggest who would you see as the ideal replacement, who has a proven track record and would be available to take on the current team and keep us up next year with limited team investment available and a club with an uncertain future at Board level?

 

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View Uphill's Profile Uphill Flag Bedford 14 Jul 20 3.39pm Send a Private Message to Uphill Add Uphill as a friend

If Mr Hodgson plays a very similar team to that against Aston Villa we can only assume that:

A. He has no alternative strategy

B. He is unwilling to even think about giving youngsters a go.

C. He is refusing to start guys who can actually pass the ball (Meyer and Reidewald)

D. He condones the boorish attitude of the captain who repeatedly concedes dangerous free kicks and yellow cards.

Old habits are dying very hard but I would have a greater respect for his service to Palace if he shows some ideas and can prove he can motivate a very dispirited squad. He ( and we) have nothing to lose by experimenting.

 

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