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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 14 Jul 20 6.37am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by A1969Eagle

Wow
seriously you cant see the type of football we were playing?
Leicester were poor, we were poorer.
Burnley was poor, we still lost
Chelsea were not great, well we made then look good..
Villa were poor, we still lost.

You need to open your eyes to see whats happened to our team, our Palace. They are sick & tired and board of Hodgson negative tactics.. hes lost the team and that means the manager goes!!


I agree. I have always supported Roy on here but the manner of the recent defeats is worrying, it does suggest he has lost the dressing room, but we may never know.

 

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View Elricko's Profile Elricko Flag Fleet 14 Jul 20 7.06am Send a Private Message to Elricko Add Elricko as a friend

Whoever is manager, the main issue for me is the lack of investment in attacking players who actually get into the starting 11. Roy has hinted as much during post game interviews.

Looking at the truly attacking players we’ve transferred in since Benteke at the start of the 16/17 season:

Víctor Camarasa... loan farcical
Cenk Tosun... loan injured
Mitchy Batshuayi... loan ok in short time at club
Max Mayer... seldom plays
Jordon Ayew ... has done ok
Alex Sorloth... farcical
Erdal Rakip... loan farcical
Ruben Loftus Cheek ... great loan

In that time we also let Yohan Cabaye go.

So in 4 years only 1 attack minded player has been signed full time that now regularly plays ... Ayew. For me that’s been the primary concern for a long time now, not the manager.

 

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View Rachid Rachid Rachid's Profile Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 14 Jul 20 7.32am Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

Originally posted by Elricko

Whoever is manager, the main issue for me is the lack of investment in attacking players who actually get into the starting 11. Roy has hinted as much during post game interviews.

Looking at the truly attacking players we’ve transferred in since Benteke at the start of the 16/17 season:

Víctor Camarasa... loan farcical
Cenk Tosun... loan injured
Mitchy Batshuayi... loan ok in short time at club
Max Mayer... seldom plays
Jordon Ayew ... has done ok
Alex Sorloth... farcical
Erdal Rakip... loan farcical
Ruben Loftus Cheek ... great loan

In that time we also let Yohan Cabaye go.

So in 4 years only 1 attack minded player has been signed full time that now regularly plays ... Ayew. For me that’s been the primary concern for a long time now, not the manager.

This is the bottom line not helped by Benteke’s literally falling off a cliff.

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Sutton Coldfield 14 Jul 20 9.42am Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by Tickled pink

Villa had to win otherwise, we didn't ..and yes we were extremely sloppy especially in defence which is very much against the norm for our managers teams, I cannot except it was Mr Hodgsons suggestion for our defenders to play that way can you?


I have no doubt Roy wanted his team to perform as they did in the 2nd half of the Chelsea game. The point is, they didn't take that form into the Villa game despite having two extra days to recover. Furthermore, you haven't addressed the Leicester and Burnley performances. The Villa display was not a one-off, just several rungs down from the other poor displays. If Roy simply sends out the same 11 (minus Benteke of course) against Man U what kind of message is that sending to us fans?

Also what will it say to the rest of the squad? I suggest something like "it doesn't matter how badly my first XI play the rest of you aren't getting a start".

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Jul 20 9.52am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


I have no doubt Roy wanted his team to perform as they did in the 2nd half of the Chelsea game. The point is, they didn't take that form into the Villa game despite having two extra days to recover. Furthermore, you haven't addressed the Leicester and Burnley performances. The Villa display was not a one-off, just several rungs down from the other poor displays. If Roy simply sends out the same 11 (minus Benteke of course) against Man U what kind of message is that sending to us fans?

Also what will it say to the rest of the squad? I suggest something like "it doesn't matter how badly my first XI play the rest of you aren't getting a start".

We have lost 5 in succession, Hodgson will be desperate that the run is not extended to 6 so he will select what he believes is the best team to get a result.

I very much doubt he will use the game to give starts to a few players who haven't featured much this season just to placate supporters eager to see youngsters and others given their chance.

 

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View palace99's Profile palace99 Flag 14 Jul 20 10.25am Send a Private Message to palace99 Add palace99 as a friend

one of the main problems we have is tht of the starting 11, i calculate that 9 (Ward and Ayew excluded) are on £60k or more a week and are all contracted next year.

So how can we massively alter the squad when we have ageing and highly paid players? Who wil take them on?

Of the 4 £100k plus players - Zaha, Tekkers, Sakho and Meyer i would not be overly concerned if all 4 are moved on in the summer. £40m plus for Wilf maybe £5m each for the 2 Liverpool flops and possibly a loan back to Germany for Meyer.
The highest paid players need to be playing each week and be contributing. None of these 4 are. Getting them off our wage bill would allow a few newbies to come in hopefully on more realistic salaries

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 14 Jul 20 10.43am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

We have lost 5 in succession, Hodgson will be desperate that the run is not extended to 6 so he will select what he believes is the best team to get a result.

I’ll very much doubt he will use the game to give starts to a few players who haven't featured much this season just to placate supporters eager to see youngsters and others given their chance.

I agree he won’t, not through any mindset though, other than he picks the same 11 (bar injuries) every single week and this week will be no exception.

Let’s examine what Roy said in an interview around the time of the Bournemouth game.

1) our squad is important during this time because of the number of fixtures.
2) we have some youngsters who we will need to give us some energy during this period.

So, what does he do, he plays the same players every week. It’s little wonder they are all knackered and picking up injuries.

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Sutton Coldfield 14 Jul 20 11.36am Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

I agree he won’t, not through any mindset though, other than he picks the same 11 (bar injuries) every single week and this week will be no exception.

Let’s examine what Roy said in an interview around the time of the Bournemouth game.

1) our squad is important during this time because of the number of fixtures.
2) we have some youngsters who we will need to give us some energy during this period.

So, what does he do, he plays the same players every week. It’s little wonder they are all knackered and picking up injuries.


Exactly.
Like I said what message is Roy sending to the bench sitters?
Also, he's gone back on what he said at the time of the Bournemouth game (yes he gave Mitchell 5 minutes - big deal!).
The least he can do on Thursday is give both Jairo and Max a start; he can rest MacArthur and either Luka or Kouyate for the bulk of the game. He might even be surprised at how things go and keep the two youngsters on for the whole match! At least Jairo can pick a pass and he's quite feisty when it comes to tackling. In fact Roy could do worse than play him at LB and ask PvA to play further forward in support of Wilf.
Anything to freshen up this tired old team.

Edited by doombear (14 Jul 2020 11.37am)

 

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View Bexley Eagle's Profile Bexley Eagle Flag Bexley Kent 14 Jul 20 11.51am Send a Private Message to Bexley Eagle Add Bexley Eagle as a friend

It is fair say we need to change something. United are red hot at the moment. I know Saints got a point yesterday, but they played us off the park at Selhurst earlier in the year.

 

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View Glazier#1's Profile Glazier#1 Flag 14 Jul 20 11.37pm Send a Private Message to Glazier#1 Add Glazier#1 as a friend

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

This is the bottom line not helped by Benteke’s literally falling off a cliff.

Oh my God! When did this happen?! What were the circumstances? It wasn't on the news or anything.

Is he ok? Seriously injured?

 

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View A1969Eagle's Profile A1969Eagle Flag Redhill 15 Jul 20 1.02pm Send a Private Message to A1969Eagle Add A1969Eagle as a friend

Great attacking tactics by master Roy

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

This is the bottom line not helped by Benteke’s literally falling off a cliff.

 

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View Rachid Rachid Rachid's Profile Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 15 Jul 20 10.13pm Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

Originally posted by A1969Eagle

Great attacking tactics by master Roy

I've repeated this many times. Benteke missed 20 from 23 good chances in Roy's first season including the pathetic penalty debacle against Bournemouth. This after Allardyce sacked him from pens following costly misses against West Ham and Watford in Sam's first game.

Roy has done well to keep us in the position he has with this write off / useless lump and so few alternatives.
Imagine managing a team playing three seasons with a £100k a week centre forward who can't score, run shoot, head the ball in the goal or trap a bag of cement.

I've seen his sending off on Sunday now and the "kick" is fairly typical. He couldn't even put his laces through that.


Edited by Rachid Rachid Rachid (15 Jul 2020 10.15pm)

 

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