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View Den1923's Profile Den1923 Flag 27 Jul 20 10.23am Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

Originally posted by doombear

Well, to the best of my knowledge, Roy didn't retire yesterday, so it's surely time to close this thread down and those who want to continue to debate the pros and cons of Roy staying on can do so on the other two threads that cover that debate!

I fully agree, I for one am happy he did not as it would be madness to plunge us in to a change right now, Roy has done a great job keeping us for the last three year with a very mediocre squad. He cannot be blamed for Zaha poor performance this past season as some have suggested that is down to Zaha who has been sulking ever since he could not get the move he wanted last year. His performance yesterday was in complete contrast to other 10 who all played with fight and determination, you could see Zaha dropped shoulders and the look he had of I do not want to be here. Now is the time to get behind Roy and hope he gets the support he has been asking for in terms of team investment over several past window, This is of course not to say over the next 12 months we need succession planning in place for Roy but in the meantime let's hope new faces arrive and we can still be PL at the end of next season and end this thread as has been suggested!

 

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View A1969Eagle's Profile A1969Eagle Flag Redhill 27 Jul 20 10.25am Send a Private Message to A1969Eagle Add A1969Eagle as a friend

Who will teach the new players and improve them, it wont be Roy.. no one else in the first coaching set up.
First words to new younger players.. "Ok lads time to forget all you learned, you just need to learn Plan A, its simple its boring, its just based to get to 40 points then we can do it again next year... ps get a good cushion for the bench!"

Apart from playing Ayew in a free role which suits him, what has Roy done to improve any of players, and you wnat to risk him with new players so their values fall.. Take a good look at Southampton and the way they do things, excellent youth outlook and players know if the go there, how many have later springboard to top teams...


Originally posted by doombear


Agree. Too much to do, too little time to do it and too much at stake.

If the board are looking to bring in several younger players, their focus needs to be on getting those signings over the line as quickly as possible so they will be available when pre-season training starts in 3 weeks time. Consequently, unless they actually have a new manager ready to sign on the dotted line and start this week, the safest thing is to stick with Roy, who after all has delivered what the board has wanted over the last 3 seasons with a minimum nett spend.

 

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View A1969Eagle's Profile A1969Eagle Flag Redhill 27 Jul 20 10.38am Send a Private Message to A1969Eagle Add A1969Eagle as a friend

sorry but fellow fans just dont get it
Who in the right mind, unless its a final contract for the player, will players want to come and play Roys Plan A and negative tactics.
If the player has a choice of two premier clubs, its very unlikely to be us. If we are the only team after him, that says it all...

Roy add no value to our team, their values fall.
Who did he want to blood yesterday against Spurs.. no one.. He wont change next year.

If you are trying to pick players that should buy, think why would they be a "Roys" player. Whenever a new manager arrives "Roys" fav players will be gone, you see this every match, if they can walk, they can play


He is clueless to provide tactics to make a forward play plan, he wants his wingers to cover the full back.
For Zaha, in his shoes I would hate to stuck in a negative based team, no wonder he is in a rut and just doesn't want to do Roys tactics, hes tried and he knows they dont work for forwards, move on Zaha or Roy move on and then under a new manager we will likely see a rejuvenated Zaha!!

Ps Brighton had a poor season.. yet finished two points behind Palace, get real to what our season was.. Newcastle had a bad season, they finished above Palace

Originally posted by Den1923

I fully agree, I for one am happy he did not as it would be madness to plunge us in to a change right now, Roy has done a great job keeping us for the last three year with a very mediocre squad. He cannot be blamed for Zaha poor performance this past season as some have suggested that is down to Zaha who has been sulking ever since he could not get the move he wanted last year. His performance yesterday was in complete contrast to other 10 who all played with fight and determination, you could see Zaha dropped shoulders and the look he had of I do not want to be here. Now is the time to get behind Roy and hope he gets the support he has been asking for in terms of team investment over several past window, This is of course not to say over the next 12 months we need succession planning in place for Roy but in the meantime let's hope new faces arrive and we can still be PL at the end of next season and end this thread as has been suggested!

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 27 Jul 20 10.39am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by A1969Eagle

Who will teach the new players and improve them,
it wont be Roy.. no one else in the first coaching set up.
First words to new younger players.. "Ok lads time to forget all you learned, you just need to learn Plan A, its simple its boring, its just based to get to 40 points then we can do it again next year... ps get a good cushion for the bench!"

Apart from playing Ayew in a free role which suits him, what has Roy done to improve any of players, and you wnat to risk him with new players so their values fall.. Take a good look at Southampton and the way they do things, excellent youth outlook and players know if the go there, how many have later springboard to top teams...


If I was a young defender I would like to play under Roy I think this is his real strength and I think Mitchell and Ferguson will benefit from it plus playing along sides the like of Cahill and Dann.

If I was an attack minded player I would be looking elsewhere to lean my trade.

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

If I was a young defender I would like to play under Roy I think this is his real strength and I think Mitchell and Ferguson will benefit from it plus playing along sides the like of Cahill and Dann.

If I was an attack minded player I would be looking elsewhere to lean my trade.

You wouldn't get on the pitch.

 

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View Den1923's Profile Den1923 Flag 27 Jul 20 2.36pm Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

Originally posted by A1969Eagle

sorry but fellow fans just dont get it
Who in the right mind, unless its a final contract for the player, will players want to come and play Roys Plan A and negative tactics.
If the player has a choice of two premier clubs, its very unlikely to be us. If we are the only team after him, that says it all...

Roy add no value to our team, their values fall.
Who did he want to blood yesterday against Spurs.. no one.. He wont change next year.

If you are trying to pick players that should buy, think why would they be a "Roys" player. Whenever a new manager arrives "Roys" fav players will be gone, you see this every match, if they can walk, they can play


He is clueless to provide tactics to make a forward play plan, he wants his wingers to cover the full back.
For Zaha, in his shoes I would hate to stuck in a negative based team, no wonder he is in a rut and just doesn't want to do Roys tactics, hes tried and he knows they dont work for forwards, move on Zaha or Roy move on and then under a new manager we will likely see a rejuvenated Zaha!!

Ps Brighton had a poor season.. yet finished two points behind Palace, get real to what our season was.. Newcastle had a bad season, they finished above Palace


Right now there are quite a lots of players at Norwich, Watford and Bournemouth who would love to be in any PL team. Roy has used the tools he was largely given to keep us in PL for three seasons with little support on team investment during that time, other managers walked away or were fired because the squad were not capable of playing the way you suggest and at the same time stay in PL. As for strikers, Roy has had none for three years that were capable of scoring consistently despite numerous request for support in that area. Like or not, its is a fact, that we are still in PL because of Roy's, tactics, whether you like it or not his, tactics have worked and earnt this club a fortune from income because of our PL status.

 

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View Den1923's Profile Den1923 Flag 27 Jul 20 2.38pm Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

If I was a young defender I would like to play under Roy I think this is his real strength and I think Mitchell and Ferguson will benefit from it plus playing along sides the like of Cahill and Dann.

If I was an attack minded player I would be looking elsewhere to lean my trade.

I couldn't agree more and please don't forget to add AWB to that list!

 

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View Cucking Funt's Profile Cucking Funt Flag The Slimy Thoroughfare 27 Jul 20 2.46pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Originally posted by Den1923


Right now there are quite a lots of players at Norwich, Watford and Bournemouth who would love to be in any PL team. Roy has used the tools he was largely given to keep us in PL for three seasons with little support on team investment during that time, other managers walked away or were fired because the squad were not capable of playing the way you suggest and at the same time stay in PL. As for strikers, Roy has had none for three years that were capable of scoring consistently despite numerous request for support in that area. Like or not, its is a fact, that we are still in PL because of Roy's, tactics, whether you like it or not his, tactics have worked and earnt this club a fortune from income because of our PL status.

Heaven be praised! Someone else who totally gets it.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 27 Jul 20 3.46pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Den1923


Right now there are quite a lots of players at Norwich, Watford and Bournemouth who would love to be in any PL team. Roy has used the tools he was largely given to keep us in PL for three seasons with little support on team investment during that time, other managers walked away or were fired because the squad were not capable of playing the way you suggest and at the same time stay in PL. As for strikers, Roy has had none for three years that were capable of scoring consistently despite numerous request for support in that area. Like or not, its is a fact, that we are still in PL because of Roy's, tactics, whether you like it or not his, tactics have worked and earnt this club a fortune from income because of our PL status.

Sorry but apart from FDB then the period when Benteke was out at the start of Roy’s reign when Roy produced miracles getting results with no forwards, Benteke went from being highly effective under Allardyce to completely useless or rarely receiving a chance or a quick ball or pass. We wait for the opposition to get ready and set before the defence has touched it 27 times. Benteke did miss some chances sure, but he was never a clinical finisher. Look at him at Liverpool. Couldn’t side foot the ball in from a pass from a right winger. But give him plenty of action and he got goals. Liverpool had long build up play and it didn’t suit him. The whole football world knew it. Our build up play takes about 5 times longer.

Roy, Parish, Freedman and the other 2 major owners all share the blame for our gradual and obvious decline into the issues we’re facing.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 27 Jul 20 3.48pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

If I was a young defender I would like to play under Roy I think this is his real strength and I think Mitchell and Ferguson will benefit from it plus playing along sides the like of Cahill and Dann.

If I was an attack minded player I would be looking elsewhere to lean my trade.

Yep. And at best you’d probably wait for your turn after about 15 games, but probably more.

 


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View Den1923's Profile Den1923 Flag 27 Jul 20 8.32pm Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Sorry but apart from FDB then the period when Benteke was out at the start of Roy’s reign when Roy produced miracles getting results with no forwards, Benteke went from being highly effective under Allardyce to completely useless or rarely receiving a chance or a quick ball or pass. We wait for the opposition to get ready and set before the defence has touched it 27 times. Benteke did miss some chances sure, but he was never a clinical finisher. Look at him at Liverpool. Couldn’t side foot the ball in from a pass from a right winger. But give him plenty of action and he got goals. Liverpool had long build up play and it didn’t suit him. The whole football world knew it. Our build up play takes about 5 times longer.

Roy, Parish, Freedman and the other 2 major owners all share the blame for our gradual and obvious decline into the issues we’re facing.

Sorry Rudi but I have never been great fan of Benteke, in his first season he did score 15 goals and in fairness to him that did probably keep us in the PL. He has not done much since. I personally found him lazy and lacking in mobility always waiting for the ball to come to him (his head) and not working defenders when he did not have the ball (unlike Vardy), as you rightly say his floor skills were fairly limited. Remember the penalty he missed in the last minute at home to Man City. IMO Roy has had limited choices with the squad that he had largely inherited, made worse by a fairly long run of long term injuries in a relatively small squad. Sam Allardyce, was manager for 23 games (points per game 1.26), at the end of the season he knew that the team would struggle and when he knew the cash was not there he walked as did Pulis before him. The team has tried to play expansive football under Pardew and FdB and each time we were nearly relegated had their tenue continued. Whereas Roy Has stuck with us and IMO against the odds kept us in the PL.
I appreciate that others have different opposing views and that is there right. However what I would like to see now is us all pulling together around Roy and hope he gets the players he wants and the support from the board that he deserves.

 

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Originally posted by Den1923

Sorry Rudi but I have never been great fan of Benteke, in his first season he did score 15 goals and in fairness to him that did probably keep us in the PL. He has not done much since. I personally found him lazy and lacking in mobility always waiting for the ball to come to him (his head) and not working defenders when he did not have the ball (unlike Vardy), as you rightly say his floor skills were fairly limited. Remember the penalty he missed in the last minute at home to Man City. IMO Roy has had limited choices with the squad that he had largely inherited, made worse by a fairly long run of long term injuries in a relatively small squad. Sam Allardyce, was manager for 23 games (points per game 1.26), at the end of the season he knew that the team would struggle and when he knew the cash was not there he walked as did Pulis before him. The team has tried to play expansive football under Pardew and FdB and each time we were nearly relegated had their tenue continued. Whereas Roy Has stuck with us and IMO against the odds kept us in the PL.
I appreciate that others have different opposing views and that is there right. However what I would like to see now is us all pulling together around Roy and hope he gets the players he wants and the support from the board that he deserves.

Agree with this. He didn't work hard enough to play himself back into form when his head went. Furthermore Shearer and/or Wright highlighted his lack of movement and effective hiding from goalscoring opportunities.

It's true that we haven't played to his strengths but he was a lost cause and didn't look capable of converting the simplest chance. Even recently he was ponderous given the chance to equalise against Chelsea.

 

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