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View orpingtoneagle's Profile orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 26 Aug 20 8.49pm Send a Private Message to orpingtoneagle Add orpingtoneagle as a friend

I get that it means that to some but...

Wider still and wider shall thy bounds be set;
God, who made thee mighty, make thee mightier yet,

Speaks to me of the expansion of the Empire and conquest. Stuff that is part of history not part of today.

But I get why folks like it. Bit like Jerusalem.

Things move on. Probably why we seem to have forgotten the third verse of the National Anthem.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 26 Aug 20 8.55pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

I get that it means that to some but...

Wider still and wider shall thy bounds be set;
God, who made thee mighty, make thee mightier yet,

Speaks to me of the expansion of the Empire and conquest. Stuff that is part of history not part of today.

But I get why folks like it. Bit like Jerusalem.

Things move on. Probably why we seem to have forgotten the third verse of the National Anthem.

Part of history is correct, why should we expunge our history? That is one of my gripes

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 26 Aug 20 8.57pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Really I prefer it to that National Anthem dirge, and nonsensical Jerusalem at cricket matches.

A re-vamp of these anthems to reflect an England that is not stone dead would be great, songs by the Beatles perhaps.

Glad all over?? No, not really........

And get rid of Gary Lineker at the same time.

Clinton Morrison the first Obama.

Anything, just anything, different.

I agree about the National Anthem, awful. Jerusalem should be our anthem but will never happen ( for the title alone if nothing else!)

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 26 Aug 20 8.58pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Every nation and culture has shared musical scores at the core of its identity. Look at Palace for example? How many of our songs are whimsical nonsense yet we all happily sing along and have a thoroughly good time doing so.

This is where I struggle with understanding why Lefties act like they do. They must comprehend that such attacks achieve nothing other than just increase the divisions?

And yet it is constant now. The sneering, the mocking, just the general sense of looking down their noses and making no bones about favouring foreign cultures and people over their own.

Do they think it ends well? Did December 2019 not teach them anything? Or are the feel good moments all? That chance to get the dopamine hit that comes from celebrating the alien whilst condemning the native? How do they think this all ultimately plays out? Or do they actually want us all at each others throats?

Strange lot. All the degrees and PHD's in the world yet ultimately, as thick as f***.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 26 Aug 20 9.00pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

This is not just about political correctness. This is another example of the early signs of a rapid shift in the demographic of this country. In a couple of generations, people who have ancestry going back more than, at most, four generations will be in a rapidly shrinking minority.
Advertising, TV scheduling and casting will all reflect this rapid shift and those of us over 60 and White will wonder what the hell is going on in our country.

Well, we are going the way of the Neanderthal, that is what is going on.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 26 Aug 20 9.03pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Part of history is correct, why should we expunge our history? That is one of my gripes

The reason why Hope and Glory, Rule Britannia and Jerusalem (a favourite of Clement Atlee) are still around is that they are stirring patriotic songs that the public like. They were topical and relevant at the time they were written.

If some people feel today they are outdated why not create a new anthem that is just as topical and relevant as they were in their time.

It can be as woke as you like if the public take to it then you have a new tradition but stop trying to tear down the old ones which many people have an affection for.

 


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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 26 Aug 20 9.20pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Well, we are going the way of the Neanderthal, that is what is going on.

Maybe. I always equate our fate to that of the Dinosaurs staring up at a huge big meteor making straight for them. But there were two kinds of Dinosaurs. Those ones who fled for the nearest cave to whimper and die in a pool of their own fear induced piss and s***.

Or the other. Who remained in the sunshine, staring up and roaring in defiance, ready to at least try and smash that rock to f***. Because you never know.

People have to make a choice about what kind of Dinosaur they want to be remembered as. If we are going to die then better to die well.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 26 Aug 20 9.29pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

It is a load of colonialist guff.

Lots of puff about spreading our boundaries widely and slavery.

Yes part of our history but of little resonance with me today.

Lovely tune mind.

Does Stonehenge resonate? If not should it be demolished?

 

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View orpingtoneagle's Profile orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 26 Aug 20 9.31pm Send a Private Message to orpingtoneagle Add orpingtoneagle as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Part of history is correct, why should we expunge our history? That is one of my gripes

I have not said we should. History is important. We learn from it. Problem is that there is so much of it formal teaching can only ever be selective and scratch the surface.

But I kind of feel that we need to move on from stuff like this. No forget, move on.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Online Flag Croydon 26 Aug 20 9.35pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

I have not said we should. History is important. We learn from it. Problem is that there is so much of it formal teaching can only ever be selective and scratch the surface.

But I kind of feel that we need to move on from stuff like this. No forget, move on.

Do agree, time to move on.

The past is still there, but the country should not be a museum.

New, young, lift us out of our gloom and move on.

Fat chance I am afraid.



 

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag croydon 26 Aug 20 10.50pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Do agree, time to move on.

The past is still there, but the country should not be a museum.

New, young, lift us out of our gloom and move on.

Fat chance I am afraid.

Land of dope and tory my friend, land of dope and tory!

 

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Originally posted by croydon proud

Do agree, time to move on.

The past is still there, but the country should not be a museum.

New, young, lift us out of our gloom and move on.

Fat chance I am afraid.

Land of dope and tory my friend, land of dope and tory!

Give an inch and your mind take too many miles. Many have woken (excuse the use of such a w***y word) up to it, including me, and in Ill stand firm because we wont give up things because some t*** who used to have wispy beard and a cord blazer with elbow patches thinks so. If we all stand up while were still alive well always win. We and they know it. Only when weve been outnumbered can they win, if we stay silent. Well I think everyone is waking up to these embarrassing weakling white tits living in dusty comfort thinking they can plan the future.

 


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