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I seem to be in the minority and a bit bias, but if that handball had been right on the line and prevented the ball crossing the line there would be no argument. Just because he didn't mean it does not stop it being handball. It certainly stopped the ball going forward so who is to say it would not have gone in, or even to a Palace player. Good decision ref IMO.
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Originally posted by pieman203
I seem to be in the minority and a bit bias, but if that handball had been right on the line and prevented the ball crossing the line there would be no argument. Just because he didn't mean it does not stop it being handball. It certainly stopped the ball going forward so who is to say it would not have gone in, or even to a Palace player. Good decision ref IMO. If you’re in the minority I’m with you. It was an effort from what 7/8 yards away and it’s hit his hand. Hard luck for the defender but I’d still consider it a penalty.
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The arm is in an unnatural position and the ball hits it. It's handball.
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The obvious thing is that if that had been at the other end, say Sakho had done it, it wouldn't have needed VAR: It would have just been given. So there is no reason for us to fret, Man U will get over it.
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Originally posted by xomnea
The arm is in an unnatural position and the ball hits it. It's handball. From the FA website: It is an offence if a player: Except for the above offences, it is not an offence if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm: His arm was sticking out from his body making it unnaturally bigger. It’s a penalty. Would be helpful if the pundits checked he rules directly. Although I’m not a fan of the rule about keepers not coming forward, and it doesn’t seem fair to change the penalty taker. Edited by jeeagles (21 Sep 2020 9.38pm)
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Originally posted by pieman203
I seem to be in the minority and a bit bias, but if that handball had been right on the line and prevented the ball crossing the line there would be no argument. Just because he didn't mean it does not stop it being handball. It certainly stopped the ball going forward so who is to say it would not have gone in, or even to a Palace player. Good decision ref IMO. While I do agree it was a harsh decision the fact remains it was a shot at goal that was probably just about on target and Lindelof’s arm deflected it altering the flight of the ball.
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Definitely a pen, whose to say that it wouldn’t have gone in. What is bs is the retake. I hate that rule.
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I would be fracking annoyed if that had been against us. it is never a pen. The rules quoted above do not make it clear and Ayew is pretty near when he flicks it up. I just don’t see him being in an unnatural position or moving his hand to the ball. The re- take is mega harsh and we should be seeing a large number of re- takes this season. My only wish was that Ayew had also hand balled it and was offside - that would be the perfect Old Trafford goal. VAR is a farce but at least it is now throwing out dodgy decisions for all rather than the home bias that the big boys always enjoyed. If you went to the 3-0 loss at OT years ago, you would know what I mean (my head almost exploded). Really enjoyed a bit of revenge
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Total nonsense, was never a penalty. The rules are a joke and ruining the game. Same for the decision on the penalty retake. As the commentator said at the time, the refs need to apply common sense. I’d have gone mental if that was a decision against us. However, we totally bossed United and perhaps deserved a bit of luck. With the introduction of the linesman no longer flagging, what is the role of the linesman? Might as well get rid. VAR is too involved and making football worse. Introduce 1 review per captain per game, ref gets 10 seconds to review it on a replay. If it’s a clear and obvious error they don’t need to look it at for 3 minutes from 8 different angles.
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It is more of a penalty than the one that was given against Sakho against Villa last season. So enough said
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It was a penalty because the rules say it is, just as it was correct to retake due to the keeper being off his line. Both decisions were harsh but correct. This is exactly what VAR should be there for, quite easy decisions for the VAR operators.
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