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View pieman203's Profile pieman203 Flag Hayes 21 Sep 20 5.10pm Send a Private Message to pieman203 Add pieman203 as a friend

I seem to be in the minority and a bit bias, but if that handball had been right on the line and prevented the ball crossing the line there would be no argument. Just because he didn't mean it does not stop it being handball. It certainly stopped the ball going forward so who is to say it would not have gone in, or even to a Palace player. Good decision ref IMO.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag Kent 21 Sep 20 5.53pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by pieman203

I seem to be in the minority and a bit bias, but if that handball had been right on the line and prevented the ball crossing the line there would be no argument. Just because he didn't mean it does not stop it being handball. It certainly stopped the ball going forward so who is to say it would not have gone in, or even to a Palace player. Good decision ref IMO.

If youíre in the minority Iím with you.

It was an effort from what 7/8 yards away and itís hit his hand. Hard luck for the defender but Iíd still consider it a penalty.

 


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View xomnea's Profile xomnea Flag 21 Sep 20 5.55pm Send a Private Message to xomnea Add xomnea as a friend

The arm is in an unnatural position and the ball hits it. It's handball.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 21 Sep 20 6.07pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

The obvious thing is that if that had been at the other end, say Sakho had done it, it wouldn't have needed VAR: It would have just been given. So there is no reason for us to fret, Man U will get over it.

 


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View jeeagles's Profile jeeagles Flag 21 Sep 20 9.34pm Send a Private Message to jeeagles Add jeeagles as a friend

Originally posted by xomnea

The arm is in an unnatural position and the ball hits it. It's handball.

From the FA website:

It is an offence if a player:
deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, including moving the hand/arm towards the ball
scores in the opponentsí goal directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper
after the ball has touched their or a team-mateís hand/arm, even if accidental, immediately:
scores in the opponentsí goal
creates a goal-scoring opportunity
touches the ball with their hand/arm when:
the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger
the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless the player deliberately plays the ball which then touches their hand/arm
The above offences apply even if the ball touches a playerís hand/arm directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close.

Except for the above offences, it is not an offence if the ball touches a playerís hand/arm:
directly from the playerís own head or body (including the foot)
directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close
if the hand/arm is close to the body and does not make the body unnaturally bigger
when a player falls and the hand/arm is between the body and the ground to support the body, but not extended laterally or vertically away from the body

His arm was sticking out from his body making it unnaturally bigger. Itís a penalty. Would be helpful if the pundits checked he rules directly.

Although Iím not a fan of the rule about keepers not coming forward, and it doesnít seem fair to change the penalty taker.

Edited by jeeagles (21 Sep 2020 9.38pm)

 

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View esox lucius's Profile esox lucius Flag Deal 21 Sep 20 10.01pm Send a Private Message to esox lucius Add esox lucius as a friend

Originally posted by pieman203

I seem to be in the minority and a bit bias, but if that handball had been right on the line and prevented the ball crossing the line there would be no argument. Just because he didn't mean it does not stop it being handball. It certainly stopped the ball going forward so who is to say it would not have gone in, or even to a Palace player. Good decision ref IMO.

While I do agree it was a harsh decision the fact remains it was a shot at goal that was probably just about on target and Lindelofís arm deflected it altering the flight of the ball.

 

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View coulsdoneagle's Profile coulsdoneagle Online Flag London 21 Sep 20 11.45pm Send a Private Message to coulsdoneagle Add coulsdoneagle as a friend

Definitely a pen, whose to say that it wouldnít have gone in. What is bs is the retake. I hate that rule.

 

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View uncleneal's Profile uncleneal Flag Croydon 22 Sep 20 7.52am Send a Private Message to uncleneal Add uncleneal as a friend

I would be fracking annoyed if that had been against us. it is never a pen.

The rules quoted above do not make it clear and Ayew is pretty near when he flicks it up. I just donít see him being in an unnatural position or moving his hand to the ball.

The re- take is mega harsh and we should be seeing a large number of re- takes this season.

My only wish was that Ayew had also hand balled it and was offside - that would be the perfect Old Trafford goal.

VAR is a farce but at least it is now throwing out dodgy decisions for all rather than the home bias that the big boys always enjoyed.

If you went to the 3-0 loss at OT years ago, you would know what I mean (my head almost exploded).

Really enjoyed a bit of revenge

 

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View Goal Machine's Profile Goal Machine Flag The Cronx 22 Sep 20 8.19am Send a Private Message to Goal Machine Add Goal Machine as a friend

Total nonsense, was never a penalty. The rules are a joke and ruining the game. Same for the decision on the penalty retake. As the commentator said at the time, the refs need to apply common sense. Iíd have gone mental if that was a decision against us.

However, we totally bossed United and perhaps deserved a bit of luck.

With the introduction of the linesman no longer flagging, what is the role of the linesman? Might as well get rid.

VAR is too involved and making football worse. Introduce 1 review per captain per game, ref gets 10 seconds to review it on a replay. If itís a clear and obvious error they donít need to look it at for 3 minutes from 8 different angles.

 

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View McPalace's Profile McPalace Flag Carshalton Village 22 Sep 20 9.38am Send a Private Message to McPalace Add McPalace as a friend

It is more of a penalty than the one that was given against Sakho against Villa last season. So enough said

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 22 Sep 20 9.49am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend


After the decade long stretch when penalties given there were rarer than Benteke hat tricks Iím quite happy with the decision.


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View topcat's Profile topcat Flag Holmesdale / Surbiton 22 Sep 20 9.53am Send a Private Message to topcat Add topcat as a friend

It was a penalty because the rules say it is, just as it was correct to retake due to the keeper being off his line. Both decisions were harsh but correct.

This is exactly what VAR should be there for, quite easy decisions for the VAR operators.

 


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