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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 22 Oct 20 6.39pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

Problem with those in the left of the Labour Party is that they dont understand that people can have their own opinions, but they can't have their own facts.


Edited by jeeagles (22 Oct 2020 4.33pm)

But can they have their own quotes?

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 22 Oct 20 6.44pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by OldFella

Good boy, you're learning quickly! Keep at it and we won't have to listen to your trite left wing dogma for too much longer. Which will be wonderful.

No-one needs to go hungry, due to the welfare system. It is a parent's prime responsibility to keep their kids safe and fed. All the rest comes after that.

Dont you ever put the responsibility on to the parents. They need fags , beer, nails and good hair. Sacrificing any of those will be wrong I'm sure. It's all borises fault dont you know!

 

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View serial thriller's Profile serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 22 Oct 20 7.02pm Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Originally posted by OldFella

Good boy, you're learning quickly! Keep at it and we won't have to listen to your trite left wing dogma for too much longer. Which will be wonderful.

No-one needs to go hungry, due to the welfare system. It is a parent's prime responsibility to keep their kids safe and fed. All the rest comes after that.

Ok, let's take an example then.

Mother, single parent, one 12 year old. No family support, she works as much as she can to support her kid and sacrifices all personal luxuries.

She get 450 a month from universal credit, no extra for housing benefit or child support. She works minimum wage, but hours have been cut sown during pandemic so she makes about 700 a month.

But she pays 600 a month rent, plus bills is 750. She's paying back a loan which she took out a couple months ago when UC was delayed and that's another 100 out. 100 for travel for the month, and she gives her kid a tenner a week. If she buys no clothes, presents, drinks, meals out or any extras, that leaves 60 a month to feed both of them, just under 15 for the weekly shop.

When it gets to the holiday, she wants to stay and look after her kid, but has to go to work to pay bills, so she can't guarantee that her kid is having lunch.

2 questions for you. 1 what would you do in her position. 2 Do you think the state should support this situation by offering meals to kids through the holidays?


Edited by serial thriller (22 Oct 2020 7.05pm)

 


If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 22 Oct 20 7.16pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

Ok, let's take an example then.

Mother, single parent, one 12 year old. No family support, she works as much as she can to support her kid and sacrifices all personal luxuries.

She get 450 a month from universal credit, no extra for housing benefit or child support. She works minimum wage, but hours have been cut sown during pandemic so she makes about 700 a month.

But she pays 600 a month rent, plus bills is 750. She's paying back a loan which she took out a couple months ago when UC was delayed and that's another 100 out. 100 for travel for the month, and she gives her kid a tenner a week. If she buys no clothes, presents, drinks, meals out or any extras, that leaves 60 a month to feed both of them, just under 15 for the weekly shop.

When it gets to the holiday, she wants to stay and look after her kid, but has to go to work to pay bills, so she can't guarantee that her kid is having lunch.

2 questions for you. 1 what would you do in her position. 2 Do you think the state should support this situation by offering meals through the holidays?

Edited by serial thriller (22 Oct 2020 7.04pm)

I think meals are a worthy cause, particularly for kids. It's not money that can be wasted, or a system easy to abuse. It's meals for kids. If their parents are like you point out, or if they're scagheads or dossiers, still the kids deserve meals. Kids shouldn't suffer from hunger due to poverty in a rich country. I speak having come from a poor family myself and I know what it's like. School meals were my dinners.

 


I used to put the manager's name in front of Red and Blue but got fed up with changing it. If someone cool becomes our manager then maybe..

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 22 Oct 20 7.26pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I think meals are a worthy cause, particularly for kids. It's not money that can be wasted, or a system easy to abuse. It's meals for kids. If their parents are like you point out, or if they're scagheads or dossiers, still the kids deserve meals. Kids shouldn't suffer from hunger due to poverty in a rich country. I speak having come from a poor family myself and I know what it's like. School meals were my dinners.

Well put! The cynicism is all a bit theoretical isn't it, this idea that the kids shouldn't need these meals. Well, they either do or they don't regardless of pontificating on the matter. With job losses piling up there are no doubt plenty of good parents struggling to put a square meal on the table.

We shouldn't be more up in arms about feeding kids than the doling out of 50% off for 100 million pub meals.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 22 Oct 20 7.34pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

Ok, let's take an example then.

Mother, single parent, one 12 year old. No family support, she works as much as she can to support her kid and sacrifices all personal luxuries.

She get 450 a month from universal credit, no extra for housing benefit or child support. She works minimum wage, but hours have been cut sown during pandemic so she makes about 700 a month.

But she pays 600 a month rent, plus bills is 750. She's paying back a loan which she took out a couple months ago when UC was delayed and that's another 100 out. 100 for travel for the month, and she gives her kid a tenner a week. If she buys no clothes, presents, drinks, meals out or any extras, that leaves 60 a month to feed both of them, just under 15 for the weekly shop.

When it gets to the holiday, she wants to stay and look after her kid, but has to go to work to pay bills, so she can't guarantee that her kid is having lunch.

2 questions for you. 1 what would you do in her position. 2 Do you think the state should support this situation by offering meals to kids through the holidays?


Edited by serial thriller (22 Oct 2020 7.05pm)

Why would a loan for 2 months be a 100 a month?

 

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View Jamesrichards8's Profile Jamesrichards8 Flag 22 Oct 20 8.40pm Send a Private Message to Jamesrichards8 Add Jamesrichards8 as a friend

Such a refreshing change. A compassionate celebrity who has actually looked into the details of a REAL issue, with which he has some personal connection.
Rather than these BLM 'advocates' who are addressing some amorphous, debatable (at best) problem through lazy posturing (taking a knee) and basically jumping on the bandwagon to chastise all those who aren't as 'woke' as them.
Well done, Marcus, for thinking for yourself and acting with compassion rather than just passion.

 


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View jeeagles's Profile jeeagles Online Flag 22 Oct 20 8.41pm Send a Private Message to jeeagles Add jeeagles as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

Ok, let's take an example then.

Mother, single parent, one 12 year old. No family support, she works as much as she can to support her kid and sacrifices all personal luxuries.

She get 450 a month from universal credit, no extra for housing benefit or child support. She works minimum wage, but hours have been cut sown during pandemic so she makes about 700 a month.

But she pays 600 a month rent, plus bills is 750. She's paying back a loan which she took out a couple months ago when UC was delayed and that's another 100 out. 100 for travel for the month, and she gives her kid a tenner a week. If she buys no clothes, presents, drinks, meals out or any extras, that leaves 60 a month to feed both of them, just under 15 for the weekly shop.

When it gets to the holiday, she wants to stay and look after her kid, but has to go to work to pay bills, so she can't guarantee that her kid is having lunch.

2 questions for you. 1 what would you do in her position. 2 Do you think the state should support this situation by offering meals to kids through the holidays?


Edited by serial thriller (22 Oct 2020 7.05pm)

How contrived is that situation? Tell the dad to pay.

 

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag croydon 22 Oct 20 8.46pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Sir Marcus Rashford? Come on boris, you know it makes sense!

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 22 Oct 20 8.55pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

How contrived is that situation? Tell the dad to pay.

I agree that there would be plenty of undeserving parents, or even one or no parents or whatever.
However, again, it's not the kid's fault is it?
Personally my father left when I was young. His maintenance was 1 pound a week. He didn't pay that even. Should we then think fck the kids, the parents are sh1t? Still doesn't help anyone. Perhaps one of these poor kids could end up like Rashford, or he could end up in jail, he or she could play for Palace, could be a doctor, could work in the Pound Shop, could win a World Cup for England - who knows? Surely we can have the grace to ensure they at least have food, regardless of other sh1t that may go on in their life? I applaud Rashford for this - he seems a decent person. And I despise the undeserving scroungers as much as anyone - but hungry kids, they deserve our support.

 


I used to put the manager's name in front of Red and Blue but got fed up with changing it. If someone cool becomes our manager then maybe..

Red and Blue Army!

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Originally posted by ASCPFC

I agree that there would be plenty of undeserving parents, or even one or no parents or whatever.
However, again, it's not the kid's fault is it?
Personally my father left when I was young. His maintenance was 1 pound a week. He didn't pay that even. Should we then think fck the kids, the parents are sh1t? Still doesn't help anyone. Perhaps one of these poor kids could end up like Rashford, or he could end up in jail, he or she could play for Palace, could be a doctor, could work in the Pound Shop, could win a World Cup for England - who knows? Surely we can have the grace to ensure they at least have food, regardless of other sh1t that may go on in their life? I applaud Rashford for this - he seems a decent person. And I despise the undeserving scroungers as much as anyone - but hungry kids, they deserve our support.

Well put asc, well put indeed!

 

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Originally posted by ASCPFC

I agree that there would be plenty of undeserving parents, or even one or no parents or whatever.
However, again, it's not the kid's fault is it?
Personally my father left when I was young. His maintenance was 1 pound a week. He didn't pay that even. Should we then think fck the kids, the parents are sh1t? Still doesn't help anyone. Perhaps one of these poor kids could end up like Rashford, or he could end up in jail, he or she could play for Palace, could be a doctor, could work in the Pound Shop, could win a World Cup for England - who knows? Surely we can have the grace to ensure they at least have food, regardless of other sh1t that may go on in their life? I applaud Rashford for this - he seems a decent person. And I despise the undeserving scroungers as much as anyone - but hungry kids, they deserve our support.

Well said. It's not helpful to be cynical about Rashford's campaign and the benefits of extending a hand to kids in need. What kind of message does this send out to them? My family doesn't care and my country doesn't either? And anyway, there are many good parents struggling right now too, most of them rarely the first to ask for help.

The government spunk enough public up the wall on contracts for their mates and botched IT systems, not to mention the 12bn flop track and trace system. 15 vouchers for hungry kids though... God forbid. Well done Marcus Rashford.


Edited by BlueJay (22 Oct 2020 9.31pm)

 

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