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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 13 Nov 20 10.13pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

What an embarrassing thread this is turning out to be.

A little outlet for those who vote for parties who will probably never see government in their lifetime.

Carry on gentlemen. It's good therapy for you. Let the frustration out.

 

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 13 Nov 20 10.19pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by Matov


Cummings was questioning all kinds of procrument procedures. Why silly amounts of money was being paid for stuff you could buy at a tenth of the price in a local shop. Probably a huge reason behind why he has gone.

Still lots more expensive wars to come in 2021-22. Worth buying shares in defence contractors now in the UK as well as in the US.

That has always been the case

 


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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 13 Nov 20 10.26pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What an embarrassing thread this is turning out to be.

A little outlet for those who vote for parties who will probably never see government in their lifetime.

Carry on gentlemen. It's good therapy for you. Let the frustration out.

You do not think it appropriate to critique Government ?

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 13 Nov 20 10.36pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend


Sky reporting Cummings has already gone.

 

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 13 Nov 20 10.55pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

You do not think it appropriate to critique Government ?

Clearly not. Heads gone (went a long time ago)

 


said the rabid giraffe whilst brandishing his throbbing member of reason, and twas ever thus.

Did you know? 95% of people are morons.

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View nead1's Profile nead1 Flag 13 Nov 20 11.48pm Send a Private Message to nead1 Add nead1 as a friend

Can I ask Matov to define what he thinks a "full on Brexit betrayal" actually means in practice?
We have already left the EU, the Customs Union and the Single Market and I don't recall any of those being on the Brexit ticket 4 years ago. So, what else is it that would be such a betrayal?

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 13 Nov 20 11.53pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

It's all posturing. Cummings is still on the pay-role somewhere, and still pulling the strings,...

It's the only way BJ can stay in power

Possibly. Plus after all the shock, he said he was leaving at the end of this year anyway and thatís 7 weeks away and less in government. Could just be nothing. Still wanted reform and shake up of civil service and NHS management though.

 


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View Matov's Profile Matov Online Flag 14 Nov 20 1.04pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by nead1

Can I ask Matov to define what he thinks a "full on Brexit betrayal" actually means in practice?
We have already left the EU, the Customs Union and the Single Market and I don't recall any of those being on the Brexit ticket 4 years ago. So, what else is it that would be such a betrayal?


Virtually any kind of agreement the EU would agree to. It simply cannot afford to sign anything with us that is not harmful to the UK on the outside. Political reality. We should have left on WTO terms, with plenty of side agreements to keep a variety of bits and pieces going which are mutally suitable but both parties need to accept the reality of life without the other. All this pissing about with Barnier and so on is beyond a joke.

But with regards to the thread, I would just love to add how much I liked the way Cummings left via the front door and carrying a box. Completely staged but also so perfect. That not giving a f*** attitude, that just doing things his own way. A true one off.

Have seen some 'chatter' that perhaps this is not the last of Mr Cummings. Could all be part of a wider ruse. Johnson stays in post until after Christmas then, at some stage in January, steps down. Gove is the appointed successor at which stage Cummings comes back into the sunlight again. How the story being put around about Cummings briefing against Johnson is nothing more than an exercise in trying to flush out the real mole who is leaking.

Lets see. Wheels within wheels. All I know is that this time last week there was not even a hint of this all going down. My spider sense is twitching on this one.

 


Now on GAB @Matov. Come and help build something.

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View nead1's Profile nead1 Flag 14 Nov 20 1.40pm Send a Private Message to nead1 Add nead1 as a friend

Thanks for your response and clarification. In essence, you are a supporter of leaving on WTO terms with all the impact that will have on tariffs, costs of goods, potential general chaos at the ports and, of course, the situation at the Irish border.
You won't be surprised to hear that I entirely disagree and believe the whole Brexit project and its outcomes will prove, both in the short and medium term, to be really damaging for the UK.
Re your other points, I agree that Johnson will not be around that much longer. He is clearly completely unsuited to the role and not in any way capable of making the crucial and steady judgements of a PM. As to Gove, that's an interesting hypothesis - I just wonder if he would win enough support from Conservative MP's vis a vis Sunak for example?

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Online Flag 14 Nov 20 2.56pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by nead1

Thanks for your response and clarification. In essence, you are a supporter of leaving on WTO terms with all the impact that will have on tariffs, costs of goods, potential general chaos at the ports and, of course, the situation at the Irish border.
You won't be surprised to hear that I entirely disagree and believe the whole Brexit project and its outcomes will prove, both in the short and medium term, to be really damaging for the UK.
Re your other points, I agree that Johnson will not be around that much longer. He is clearly completely unsuited to the role and not in any way capable of making the crucial and steady judgements of a PM. As to Gove, that's an interesting hypothesis - I just wonder if he would win enough support from Conservative MP's vis a vis Sunak for example?

For me, the Brexit talks should have started out with the proviso that no mutally acceptable deal was possible. Ignore the fishing and the Irish border, both points are mere froth. A licensing deal can be done on the fishing tomorrow and with regards to the Irish border issue, then there already exists flying check points as it is, primarily on the Republic side of the border. You try moving heating oil in any kind of significant quantities from the North to the South and you will soon find out how 'open' the border really is.

As to what happens when Johnson goes, then Sunak is a definite contender and would, from a PR pov, be a dream ticket for the Tories. But lets not forget this is the party that has had two women PM's, Jewish leadership and so on. Far more inclusive than Labour. But Gove is the one to watch. And especially in this current farce because his name is not being mentioned at all. All this BS about this feud being instigated by Johnsons bit of fluff is just ludicrous.

Gove is the one to watch. Him and his Mrs are the real Underwoods in this current drama. And I use that fictional surname as opposed to Urguhart for a reason. Gove is far closer to the workings of the US version than the UK one.

 


Now on GAB @Matov. Come and help build something.

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 14 Nov 20 6.43pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

You do not think it appropriate to critique Government ?

It certainly is appropriate.
However, this is not that. This is the usual Leties being unreasonable in the usual Lefty way.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 14 Nov 20 7.00pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

How re-assuring it has been to have had such leadership through this crisis.........

It is hardly unimportant that nobody voted for them tish tish.

Having given so much, it is only understandable if 2 such able lieutenants should seek solace away from the kitchen-sink dramas of 10 Downing Street.

And, funnily enough, just ahead of the Brexit imminent fiasco which they have clearly no wish to happen to themselves.

You have to admire the timing.....

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