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View Elwissthebest's Profile Elwissthebest Flag Marlborough 24 Nov 20 5.07pm Send a Private Message to Elwissthebest Add Elwissthebest as a friend

The mind might be playing tricks-I've followed Palace since 1965 so it probably is, but I seem to remember a Roy Hodgson Blackburn side once beat Sheff Wed 7-2. It seems almost unimaginable that he could now even think of being that ambitious and give his players free rein. Of course, keeping Palace up in the season he arrived was a massive achievement, but my question is rather whether anyone at Selhurst has any handle on what progress represents? Do we just aim to survive relegation every season? Is that enough? Although Palace has had impressive results against some of the top six teams in recent seasons, I always feel that when we play Chelsea in particular, there is no real belief that this is a game that can be won. It's more a case of 'how do we limit the defeat to the odd goal?'Of course, Roy Hodgson has also managed Inter Milan,and I always get the impression that defending brilliantly and then nicking a 1-0 win is really what he thinks football is all about.
Picking up on previous threads, I wonder if there is agreement at Selhurst about what progress means? 20m doesn't buy much now, as Chris Wilder pointed out, just having spent it on Ryan Brewster and Palace's experiences of dishing out this kind of money on the likes of Benteke and Sakho (Liverpool must indeed regard us as a soft touch in the market)have not been unqualified successes. If you pay what we did for, say, Jordan Ajew, then you get someone as good as...Jordan Ayew. What is it, other than to give away fouls in dangerous areas, that McArthur contributes besides a lot of huff and puff these days? Is he really better than, say, Max Meyer? A big hurdle in the way of becoming a top ten club- which is presumably the 'next step'- is that only Cahill has won anything. It's true that Eze represents an exciting talent- before, no doubt being 'sold-on' to a 'bigger club'- (for such is the food chain),but does it have to be the case that with the squad we have now we must show as little attacking intent as in the games at home (!) to Brighton and in the first half at Burnley last night?

 

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View lush1076's Profile lush1076 Flag leatherhead 24 Nov 20 6.36pm Send a Private Message to lush1076 Add lush1076 as a friend

Max meyer is too lightweight for a premier league midfield. James MacArthur is definitely a more rounded player even if age is catching up.

 

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View Elwissthebest's Profile Elwissthebest Flag Marlborough 24 Nov 20 8.14pm Send a Private Message to Elwissthebest Add Elwissthebest as a friend

Agreed, if you're playing 4-4-2.
That said, I shouldn't think Sean Dyche was shaking in his boots when he saw McArthur and Riedewald lining up in central midfield last night. The latter's technically gifted, but one-paced, the former limited at this level.
Max Meyer looked an outstanding prospect at Schalke three years ago. He's never been given much of a chance at Palace and it's clear the manager's preference is for James McArthur. This preference for earnestness over flair is the problem I'm talking about. You need a midfield that creates.

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 24 Nov 20 8.28pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by Uphill

May sound silly this early in the season but I am beginning to wonder where the further 27 points to stay up are going to come from.

We have been lucky in several wins but have been abysmal against Brighton, Chelsea, Wolves and now Burnley.

Many experts say we have a good squad of players but if so, they are not producing.

So, is it them or is it the manager's tactics?

The latter for me. He is incapable of either fielding the right team, inspiring them or employing the required tactics. His attitude is baffling and he doesn't seem much concerned when we play badly.

Heaven help us if Zaha is out through the virus (as now) injury or transferred in January. The statistics don't lie - we don't win many when he is absent.

I am pretty certain that any decent manager could bring out the best in the squad and compensate should we lose Zaha. I am beginning to think that, of those currently available, Eddie Howe could be that man.

Tosh, totally and absolutely.

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 24 Nov 20 8.32pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

it is not the fault of our manager or any other manager when his defence play like they've never seen a football before.

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 24 Nov 20 8.39pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by Elwissthebest

The mind might be playing tricks-I've followed Palace since 1965 so it probably is, but I seem to remember a Roy Hodgson Blackburn side once beat Sheff Wed 7-2. It seems almost unimaginable that he could now even think of being that ambitious and give his players free rein. Of course, keeping Palace up in the season he arrived was a massive achievement, but my question is rather whether anyone at Selhurst has any handle on what progress represents? Do we just aim to survive relegation every season? Is that enough? Although Palace has had impressive results against some of the top six teams in recent seasons, I always feel that when we play Chelsea in particular, there is no real belief that this is a game that can be won. It's more a case of 'how do we limit the defeat to the odd goal?'Of course, Roy Hodgson has also managed Inter Milan,and I always get the impression that defending brilliantly and then nicking a 1-0 win is really what he thinks football is all about.
Picking up on previous threads, I wonder if there is agreement at Selhurst about what progress means? 20m doesn't buy much now, as Chris Wilder pointed out, just having spent it on Ryan Brewster and Palace's experiences of dishing out this kind of money on the likes of Benteke and Sakho (Liverpool must indeed regard us as a soft touch in the market)have not been unqualified successes. If you pay what we did for, say, Jordan Ajew, then you get someone as good as...Jordan Ayew. What is it, other than to give away fouls in dangerous areas, that McArthur contributes besides a lot of huff and puff these days? Is he really better than, say, Max Meyer? A big hurdle in the way of becoming a top ten club- which is presumably the 'next step'- is that only Cahill has won anything. It's true that Eze represents an exciting talent- before, no doubt being 'sold-on' to a 'bigger club'- (for such is the food chain),but does it have to be the case that with the squad we have now we must show as little attacking intent as in the games at home (!) to Brighton and in the first half at Burnley last night?

Brighton have done very very well in building their stadium and building their squad, we haven't and there is your answer, Mr Hodgson is doing an excellent job considering the mess which is our squad.

 

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View lush1076's Profile lush1076 Flag leatherhead 24 Nov 20 8.40pm Send a Private Message to lush1076 Add lush1076 as a friend

Some fresher legs at centre half are a must. We have a massive lack of pace in that area. Wan bissaka was so quick and covered up the problem it created when he was with us.
As soon as he was sold we had to drop deeper, then gaps between the lines were too big. Because of this we are very easy for teams to pass through.

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 24 Nov 20 9.30pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by lush1076

Max meyer is too lightweight for a premier league midfield. James MacArthur is definitely a more rounded player even if age is catching up.

Meyer can actually improve and is working on his muscles as we write because he does have the ability believe it or not.

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 24 Nov 20 9.50pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by lush1076

Some fresher legs at centre half are a must. We have a massive lack of pace in that area. Wan bissaka was so quick and covered up the problem it created when he was with us.
As soon as he was sold we had to drop deeper, then gaps between the lines were too big. Because of this we are very easy for teams to pass through.

Hopefully Ferguson when he flipping gets fit will push Clyne to play even better and I prefer Mitchel over PVA as a defender, Kouyate had his worst game this season last night and looked a disaster waiting to happen every time the ball went near him which sadly undermined our whole approach defensively going back and even more sadly moving the ball forward, such a shame because he has played so brilliantly in this position, he is definitely in the right place and should be kept there which is well away from anywhere else on the pitch, just hope he prepares and composes himself before the Newcastle game.

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Sutton Coldfield 24 Nov 20 10.51pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Our chairman clearly sees the Academy as the first step in moving forward in this league and I think he's right. We now have a few promising youngsters. As a small to midsize PL club we will need to 'grow' more talented youngsters. With a Cat A academy we have already recruited better youngsters and can expect to continue to do so. Yes some will end up being sold like AWB but others will stay with us.

As for the outlook in the coming games mentioned by the OP (and these are followed by Arsenal (Away), Sheff U (Home) and Citeh (Away), we will have opportunities to play our counter-attacking football and will have some surprising wins and disappointing losses. I'm hoping for at least 10 points from these next 10 games which would leave us on 23 at the halfway mark.

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 24 Nov 20 11.43pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by lush1076

Some fresher legs at centre half are a must. We have a massive lack of pace in that area. Wan bissaka was so quick and covered up the problem it created when he was with us.
As soon as he was sold we had to drop deeper, then gaps between the lines were too big. Because of this we are very easy for teams to pass through.

My impression is that we are not blessed with pace in nearly all areas of the pitch.

A number of players in the twilight of their careers and in this rather unusual season we could really pay the price due to the short pre-season and the physical demands of the PL.

 

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View DutchEagleJohan's Profile DutchEagleJohan Flag Vlissingen, Netherlands 25 Nov 20 8.27am Send a Private Message to DutchEagleJohan Add DutchEagleJohan as a friend


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Older figures from a few season ago but would imagine that has not changed in our favor: a substantially higher wage bill our end. Certainly that is spending too.

Originally posted by Willo

In terms of 'Net Spend' for this season and the previous 4 seasons, the totals are almost identical, around 56 Mill.

 

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