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View Ketteridge's Profile Ketteridge Flag Brighton 02 Dec 20 11.12am Send a Private Message to Ketteridge Add Ketteridge as a friend

I hink it is more that they are very capable of finding players that fit their system. The are very analytically driven and like most teams that are analytically driven play possession football , that is great keep the ball stay patient and create lots of chances for the centre forwards. The problem is against the best teams or at the higher level chances are harder to create. Brighton are finding that out now lots of nice possession but not turning that into points.
DOesn't mean Toney is not upto it or worth looking at just means you need to put him in context of the system he is playing in , even Benteke looked better on Friday when we got crosses in for him.
Neal Maupay has been ok since leaving Brentford but you wouldn't be battering to get him , Scott Horgan looked prolific a few years back and now is kicking around lower championship on loan. Interesting to see how Ollie Watkin and Benrahma get on this year

 


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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Online Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 02 Dec 20 11.33am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Gone are the days when a manager used to drive the length and breadth of the country,often in inclement weather, to assess a player.

In this modern era there are Recruitment teams using modern technology to 'run the rule' over a panoply of players around the globe.There is a great deal of information to be found using technology.

Absolutely. The Poster was just having another cheap shot at Hodgson.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 02 Dec 20 11.42am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Ketteridge

I hink it is more that they are very capable of finding players that fit their system. The are very analytically driven and like most teams that are analytically driven play possession football , that is great keep the ball stay patient and create lots of chances for the centre forwards. The problem is against the best teams or at the higher level chances are harder to create. Brighton are finding that out now lots of nice possession but not turning that into points.
DOesn't mean Toney is not upto it or worth looking at just means you need to put him in context of the system he is playing in , even Benteke looked better on Friday when we got crosses in for him.
Neal Maupay has been ok since leaving Brentford but you wouldn't be battering to get him , Scott Horgan looked prolific a few years back and now is kicking around lower championship on loan. Interesting to see how Ollie Watkin and Benrahma get on this year

Hogan has had lengthy spells out of the game with knee injuries.Steve Bruce signed him for A.Villa from Brentford.
Many years ago, Hogan turned up at Birmingham for a trial from Hyde as a right-back but the club could not afford the 30K fee.

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 02 Dec 20 12.48pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Can this be moved to football talk. Not sure what Ivan Toney has got to do with Palace, other than a brief discussion over his merits during the transfer window.

 

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View jeeagles's Profile jeeagles Flag 02 Dec 20 12.54pm Send a Private Message to jeeagles Add jeeagles as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Gone are the days when a manager used to drive the length and breadth of the country,often in inclement weather, to assess a player.

In this modern era there are Recruitment teams using modern technology to 'run the rule' over a panoply of players around the globe. There is a great deal of information to be found using technology.

Since CPFC2010 took over we've had a mix bag in terms of managers finding players.

Freedman was the top performer for me bringing in some fantastic signings. I'm not sure he had the infrastructure to scout players extensively at the time. Allardyce, managed to identify 4 excellent signings in a matter of weeks. Therefore, it's a bit of an excuse to blame the managers failing a scouting network.

I'm not really sure who fans expect the club to find. You won't just magically dig up another Ian Wright or Kante no matter how much money you throw at scouting networks. It appears it could be an inefficient endeavour.

It's also a lot easier for Championship clubs with money to identify a target that will perform well at that level. Struggling premiership clubs with limited resources are going to find things

 

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View babylonjohn's Profile babylonjohn Flag St Leonards-on-Sea 02 Dec 20 5.15pm Send a Private Message to babylonjohn Add babylonjohn as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

Since CPFC2010 took over we've had a mix bag in terms of managers finding players.

Freedman was the top performer for me bringing in some fantastic signings. I'm not sure he had the infrastructure to scout players extensively at the time. Allardyce, managed to identify 4 excellent signings in a matter of weeks. Therefore, it's a bit of an excuse to blame the managers failing a scouting network.

I'm not really sure who fans expect the club to find. You won't just magically dig up another Ian Wright or Kante no matter how much money you throw at scouting networks. It appears it could be an inefficient endeavour.

It's also a lot easier for Championship clubs with money to identify a target that will perform well at that level. Struggling premiership clubs with limited resources are going to find things

Freedman made some fantastic signings when we were struggling in the championship with little funds. Now we have funds and hes our director of football he is not cutting it. Perhaps its harder when your in the prem as everybody knows your minted.

 

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Originally posted by babylonjohn

Freedman made some fantastic signings when we were struggling in the championship with little funds. Now we have funds and hes our director of football he is not cutting it. Perhaps its harder when your in the prem as everybody knows your minted.

Precisely. The food chain leads up to the Prem and beyond. It's how Parish managed to put a 80m price tag on Zaha.

 

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View ripleyeagle's Profile ripleyeagle Flag Ripley Surrey 02 Dec 20 7.04pm Send a Private Message to ripleyeagle Add ripleyeagle as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

Absolutely. The Poster was just having another cheap shot at Hodgson.

Not true, more like a dig at Freedman !!

 

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View Robk's Profile Robk Flag 02 Dec 20 7.04pm Send a Private Message to Robk Add Robk as a friend

I think Toney would have been a good signing...bit of a gamble maybe but hes a goal scorer...The Manager is a great shout to replace Roy.....when he goes...

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Online Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 02 Dec 20 7.26pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by ripleyeagle

Not true, more like a dig at Freedman !!

Well, the OP sighted the Manager....

 


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Originally posted by babylonjohn

Freedman made some fantastic signings when we were struggling in the championship with little funds. Now we have funds and hes our director of football he is not cutting it. Perhaps its harder when your in the prem as everybody knows your minted.

There's more players available that can do a decent job in the Championship.

Since Freedman became DoF in August 2017 we've signed:

Guiata, Cahill, Clyne, Ferguson, Banks and Meyer all free transfers.

Butland for 1m, Ayew for 2.5m, McCarthy for 3m.

Kouyate and Sorloth for 10m, and Eze for 22m.

Plus Tosun, RLC and Batshuayi on Loan.

Jach, Rakip, and Sorloth may have been flops, but the first 2 didn't cost much and we made our money back on the last one (our 3 most expensive player sold ever).

We've got rid of quite a lot of players in that time too. Most of which were draining the wage bill and had no sell on value. Ledley, Jonathan Benteke, Flamini, Williams, Mutch, Friars, Campbell, Mandanda, Lee, Sako, Puncheon, Cabaye.

Overall, I think we are pretty efficient in the transfer market.

 

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View Ketteridge's Profile Ketteridge Flag Brighton 03 Dec 20 11.11am Send a Private Message to Ketteridge Add Ketteridge as a friend

I don't think overall a transfer stratergy has been that bad , overpaid for Beneteke and Sakho. At the time though we wouldn't have been too disappointed about Beneteke and he did score 16 goals in the first season. Our transfer have tended to be at the cheaper end being older experienced players , with lower transfer fee, no or little sale on value but higher wages. Eze makes a bit of change to this.
To put it into perspective Brighton had for their first three years in the prem a net transfer spend of 180m which meant they where in the top ten in World football in terms of net spend, behind Man U , Barcalona , PSG , Inter Milan and someone else a can't remember and can't be bothered looking up .

 


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