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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 14 Dec 20 7.14pm
time of year, etc, etc James Stewart in "It's a Wonderful Life". In his political life he persecuted "alleged" Communists to their death. But he was a WW2 hero of US flight crew, previously I just found out. My (late) Grandfather (on my mothers side) spent 2 days in jail whilst being interviewed over alleged child-abuse for an incident where he was a teacher (1970's). The WW2 medals he had for combat would break any persons back in weight. Just, it's all gone,...gone. From hero to c-unit. And while there was no conviction, we didn't have forensic evidence back then to the detail we have now. From proud to ashamed Edited by Forest Hillbilly (14 Dec 2020 7.21pm) "The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak
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time of year, etc, etc

James Stewart in "It's a Wonderful Life". In his political life he persecuted "alleged" Communists to their death. But he was a WW2 hero of US flight crew, previously

I just found out. My (late) Grandfather (on my mothers side) spent 2 days in jail whilst being interviewed over alleged child-abuse for an incident where he was a teacher (1970's).
The WW2 medals he had for combat would break any persons back in weight.

Just, it's all gone,...gone. From hero to c-unit.

And while there was no conviction, we didn't have forensic evidence back then to the detail we have now.
From proud to ashamed

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (14 Dec 2020 7.21pm)

"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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kingdowieonthewall Sussex, ex-Cronx. 14 Dec 20 7.36pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly time of year, etc, etc James Stewart in "It's a Wonderful Life". In his political life he persecuted "alleged" Communists to their death. But he was a WW2 hero of US flight crew, previously I just found out. My (late) Grandfather (on my mothers side) spent 2 days in jail whilst being interviewed over alleged child-abuse for an incident where he was a teacher (1970's). The WW2 medals he had for combat would break any persons back in weight. Just, it's all gone,...gone. From hero to c-unit. And while there was no conviction, we didn't have forensic evidence back then to the detail we have now. From proud to ashamed Edited by Forest Hillbilly (14 Dec 2020 7.21pm) Poor sod, if he was innocent. horrible thing to be accused of. maybe hes still a hero. Kids,tired of being bothered by your pesky parents? Then leave home, get a job & pay your own bills, while you still know everything.
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

time of year, etc, etc

James Stewart in "It's a Wonderful Life". In his political life he persecuted "alleged" Communists to their death. But he was a WW2 hero of US flight crew, previously

Just, it's all gone,...gone. From hero to c-unit.

And while there was no conviction, we didn't have forensic evidence back then to the detail we have now.
From proud to ashamed

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (14 Dec 2020 7.21pm)

Poor sod, if he was innocent.
horrible thing to be accused of.
maybe hes still a hero.

Kids,tired of being bothered by your pesky parents?
Then leave home, get a job & pay your own bills, while you still know everything.

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Badger11 Beckenham 14 Dec 20 7.37pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly time of year, etc, etc James Stewart in "It's a Wonderful Life". In his political life he persecuted "alleged" Communists to their death. But he was a WW2 hero of US flight crew, previously I just found out. My (late) Grandfather (on my mothers side) spent 2 days in jail whilst being interviewed over alleged child-abuse for an incident where he was a teacher (1970's). The WW2 medals he had for combat would break any persons back in weight. Just, it's all gone,...gone. From hero to c-unit. And while there was no conviction, we didn't have forensic evidence back then to the detail we have now. From proud to ashamed Edited by Forest Hillbilly (14 Dec 2020 7.21pm) I'm not sure that is correct. Stewart was a republican and did believe that Hollywood had been infiltrated by communists which was a commonly held opinion at the time. You say persecute to their death do you mean the Senator McCarthy hearings I cannot find any evidence that he was asked to testify. Even if he did he can hardly be blamed for voicing a genuine belief. The blame has to lie with the politicians who set up these witch trials. One more point
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Beckenham 14 Dec 20 7.37pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

time of year, etc, etc

James Stewart in "It's a Wonderful Life". In his political life he persecuted "alleged" Communists to their death. But he was a WW2 hero of US flight crew, previously

Just, it's all gone,...gone. From hero to c-unit.

And while there was no conviction, we didn't have forensic evidence back then to the detail we have now.
From proud to ashamed

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (14 Dec 2020 7.21pm)

I'm not sure that is correct. Stewart was a republican and did believe that Hollywood had been infiltrated by communists which was a commonly held opinion at the time.

You say persecute to their death do you mean the Senator McCarthy hearings I cannot find any evidence that he was asked to testify. Even if he did he can hardly be blamed for voicing a genuine belief. The blame has to lie with the politicians who set up these witch trials.

One more point

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cryrst The garden of England 14 Dec 20 8.22pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly time of year, etc, etc James Stewart in "It's a Wonderful Life". In his political life he persecuted "alleged" Communists to their death. But he was a WW2 hero of US flight crew, previously I just found out. My (late) Grandfather (on my mothers side) spent 2 days in jail whilst being interviewed over alleged child-abuse for an incident where he was a teacher (1970's). The WW2 medals he had for combat would break any persons back in weight. Just, it's all gone,...gone. From hero to c-unit. And while there was no conviction, we didn't have forensic evidence back then to the detail we have now. From proud to ashamed Edited by Forest Hillbilly (14 Dec 2020 7.21pm) Who told you and and why.
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

time of year, etc, etc

James Stewart in "It's a Wonderful Life". In his political life he persecuted "alleged" Communists to their death. But he was a WW2 hero of US flight crew, previously

Just, it's all gone,...gone. From hero to c-unit.

And while there was no conviction, we didn't have forensic evidence back then to the detail we have now.
From proud to ashamed

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (14 Dec 2020 7.21pm)

Who told you and and why.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 14 Dec 20 8.33pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly time of year, etc, etc James Stewart in "It's a Wonderful Life". In his political life he persecuted "alleged" Communists to their death. But he was a WW2 hero of US flight crew, previously I just found out. My (late) Grandfather (on my mothers side) spent 2 days in jail whilst being interviewed over alleged child-abuse for an incident where he was a teacher (1970's). The WW2 medals he had for combat would break any persons back in weight. Just, it's all gone,...gone. From hero to c-unit. And while there was no conviction, we didn't have forensic evidence back then to the detail we have now. From proud to ashamed Edited by Forest Hillbilly (14 Dec 2020 7.21pm) innocent until proven guilty ? you think MeToo is only a modern thing ? how many innocent people have had their career, livelihood and reputation destroyed by a vindictive rumour monger ? Edited by PalazioVecchio (14 Dec 2020 8.36pm) Eze Peasy at Anfield....
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

time of year, etc, etc

James Stewart in "It's a Wonderful Life". In his political life he persecuted "alleged" Communists to their death. But he was a WW2 hero of US flight crew, previously

Just, it's all gone,...gone. From hero to c-unit.

And while there was no conviction, we didn't have forensic evidence back then to the detail we have now.
From proud to ashamed

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (14 Dec 2020 7.21pm)

innocent until proven guilty ?

you think MeToo is only a modern thing ?

how many innocent people have had their career, livelihood and reputation destroyed by a vindictive rumour monger ?

Edited by PalazioVecchio (14 Dec 2020 8.36pm)

Eze Peasy at Anfield....

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PalazioVecchio south pole 14 Dec 20 8.44pm
put this thread into Palace Talk. Benteke Pardew Tony Pulis Jason Puncheon John Bostock Eze Peasy at Anfield....
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south pole 14 Dec 20 8.44pm

put this thread into Palace Talk.

Benteke

Pardew

Tony Pulis

Jason Puncheon

John Bostock

Eze Peasy at Anfield....

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Apollofuzz On the edge of reason 15 Dec 20 11.36am
Peter Taylor Originally posted by PalazioVecchio put this thread into Palace Talk. Benteke Pardew Tony Pulis Jason Puncheon John Bostock Edited by Apollofuzz (15 Dec 2020 11.36am) I ride a GS scooter with my hair cut neat I wear my war time coat in the wind and sleet.
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On the edge of reason 15 Dec 20 11.36am

Peter Taylor

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

put this thread into Palace Talk.

Benteke

Pardew

Tony Pulis

Jason Puncheon

John Bostock

Edited by Apollofuzz (15 Dec 2020 11.36am)

I ride a GS scooter with my hair cut neat
I wear my war time coat in the wind and sleet.

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Spiderman Horsham 15 Dec 20 1.21pm
Originally posted by cryrst Who told you and and why. I was thinking the same. Horrible thing to be told but could it be a person with a grudge? If no conviction, despite lack of forensic assistance, I would be inclined to believe his innocence and remember him as the hero he was. Whatever can never take his bravery away I realise this may be incredibly difficult though
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Horsham 15 Dec 20 1.21pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Who told you and and why.

I was thinking the same. Horrible thing to be told but could it be a person with a grudge? If no conviction, despite lack of forensic assistance, I would be inclined to believe his innocence and remember him as the hero he was. Whatever can never take his bravery away
I realise this may be incredibly difficult though

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PalazioVecchio south pole 18 Dec 20 9.17pm
Originally posted by kingdowieonthewall Poor sod, if he was innocent. horrible thing to be accused of. maybe hes still a hero. a real paedo often has multiple allegations, multiple victims over many years. so maybe light a candle for the old boy and forgive him..... There is at least a glimmer of a chance he is innocent. Eze Peasy at Anfield....
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south pole 18 Dec 20 9.17pm

Originally posted by kingdowieonthewall

Poor sod, if he was innocent.
horrible thing to be accused of.
maybe hes still a hero.

a real paedo often has multiple allegations, multiple victims over many years.

so maybe light a candle for the old boy and forgive him..... There is at least a glimmer of a chance he is innocent.

Eze Peasy at Anfield....

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