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 steeleye20  Croydon 20 Jun 24 8.55am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
"The European Commission is the EU's politically independent executive arm. It is alone responsible for drawing up proposals for new European legislation" "In the adoption of legislative acts, a distinction is made between the ordinary legislative procedure and the special legislative procedures, which apply only in specific cases where Parliament has only a consultative role. On certain questions (e.g. taxation) the European Parliament gives only an advisory opinion (the ‘consultation procedure’)." [The European Union website] Edited by georgenorman (20 Jun 2024 6.51am) Exactly it draws up legislation but it cannot indepedently enact it as commentators say and the public believe, only after passing the EU Parliament and the Council of Ministers. The MEPs who actually worked in the EU system should know, and they picked this one up.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Jun 24 9.05am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
"The European Commission is the sole EU body capable of proposing new legislation. The Commission also performs an oversight function, monitoring whether European legislation is properly implemented in the member states. In the event of non-compliance, the Commission can coerce a member state to comply by starting a legal procedure at the European Court of Justice." What do you think "sole" means? Edited by georgenorman (20 Jun 2024 8.49am) That is a description of the structure of the EU! It is the sole body within the EU structure of proposing new legislation to the Parliament and Council. Who must approve it. It doesn’t mean that others outside that structure cannot initiate new legislation.
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 georgenorman 20 Jun 24 9.30am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That is a description of the structure of the EU! It is the sole body within the EU structure of proposing new legislation to the Parliament and Council. Who must approve it. It doesn’t mean that others outside that structure cannot initiate new legislation. Elected MEPs cannot propose new legislation.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 24 Jun 24 3.15pm |
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Interesting video from the BBC about Brexit. Whilst people may not be happy it is not an election issue for the public .
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Teddy Eagle  26 Jun 24 7.58pm |
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| DANGERCLOSE London 07 Jul 24 1.03am |
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Here we go
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| Badger11 Beckenham 07 Jul 24 8.29am |
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Like you I am suspicious however a couple of things to consider. The current deal runs until next year so was always going to be renegotiated regardless of who was in power. I don't have a problem with closer ties to the EU as long as Labour stick to the following. 1. Absolutely no freedom of movement. 2. Whatever rules we agree with the EU do not impact our trading relationships with other countries. I am fine in adopting EU standards for say electrical goods, but I am not fine with the EU insisting on those standards when we trade with the rest of the world. That is our decision to make. 3. EU Courts cannot make decisions on our trading arrangements with other countries. Apart from that it will depend on what Labour agrees.
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| DANGERCLOSE London 07 Jul 24 8.17pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Like you I am suspicious however a couple of things to consider. The current deal runs until next year so was always going to be renegotiated regardless of who was in power. I don't have a problem with closer ties to the EU as long as Labour stick to the following. 1. Absolutely no freedom of movement. 2. Whatever rules we agree with the EU do not impact our trading relationships with other countries. I am fine in adopting EU standards for say electrical goods, but I am not fine with the EU insisting on those standards when we trade with the rest of the world. That is our decision to make. 3. EU Courts cannot make decisions on our trading arrangements with other countries. Apart from that it will depend on what Labour agrees. Agreed
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Jul 24 9.33am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Like you I am suspicious however a couple of things to consider. The current deal runs until next year so was always going to be renegotiated regardless of who was in power. I don't have a problem with closer ties to the EU as long as Labour stick to the following. 1. Absolutely no freedom of movement. 2. Whatever rules we agree with the EU do not impact our trading relationships with other countries. I am fine in adopting EU standards for say electrical goods, but I am not fine with the EU insisting on those standards when we trade with the rest of the world. That is our decision to make. 3. EU Courts cannot make decisions on our trading arrangements with other countries. Apart from that it will depend on what Labour agrees. Since our withdrawal from the EU do you think our situation has improved, or worsened, not just on net migration but on its origins? When the rest of the world prefers to trade with partners who use common and trusted standards what is the point of using another set? Pride isn’t bankable. It is a barrier. How we agree to settle disputes ought to rest on what best serves our interests. If that requires us to cooperate to achieve it, fine. Once again don’t let pride stand in the way of common sense.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 08 Jul 24 10.49am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Since our withdrawal from the EU do you think our situation has improved, or worsened, not just on net migration but on its origins? When the rest of the world prefers to trade with partners who use common and trusted standards what is the point of using another set? Pride isn’t bankable. It is a barrier. How we agree to settle disputes ought to rest on what best serves our interests. If that requires us to cooperate to achieve it, fine. Once again don’t let pride stand in the way of common sense. The problem with the EU is that it wants control in return for cooperation. Trade and limited freedom of movement would be acceptable if it didn't come with interference from Brussels. If Europe wants Britain to be a better neighbour, then it needs to forget about trying to govern us.
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