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View Zaha127's Profile Zaha127 Flag 05 Mar 21 12.45pm Send a Private Message to Zaha127 Add Zaha127 as a friend

It is something I have always wondered.

How many total Crystal Palace fans do you think there are in the UK?


And if Palace had a 65,000 seater stadium do you think they would sell out every game?


Here is the population of some boroughs

Croydon Population - under 400,000
Sutton Population - just over 200,000
Bromley Population - about 330,000

 

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View suss's Profile suss Flag whyteleafe 05 Mar 21 1.15pm Send a Private Message to suss Add suss as a friend

Can't answer your questions but does remind me of something published many years ago (over 20) that CPFC was the most local club for a 650,000 catchment, which was the largest in country at the time.

Not sure if advent of Crawley will have skewed that significantly but we should still be close to top if not top of the table for most opportunity.

If a rule were to be enforced fans could only support their most local side I imagine we'd sell out every match several times over. Be interesting to know what it would do to catchment for other London clubs in close proximity.

 

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View ex hibitionist's Profile ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 05 Mar 21 1.30pm Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

great question - and it taps into the theme I'm always banging on about - I hope we haven't lost the dream of being a big (or biggish, or just bigger) club, bcos we used to have a handful of 40+k crowds every season in the top flight pre 1981 (when the capacity was reduced from 51 k to 30k and crowds subsequently dropped by 10k a week - our poor form had something to do with that, but Sainsbury's replacing the Whitehorse Lane end and the away fans sectioned off in the Holmesdale was the main culprit). There were 50,000 diehards at Wembley a few years back, but realistically I would like to see a 40k stadium and we'd get 30-35k per week (like Brighton, Leic, Saints and Wolves) no probs, and a few sell outs like the old days.

 

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View rollercoaster's Profile rollercoaster Flag Cornwall 05 Mar 21 1.44pm Send a Private Message to rollercoaster Add rollercoaster as a friend

We may have a big catchment area but we have some very glamorous clubs nearby to steal people away ----

Brighton, Charlton, Millwall, Dartford, Dagenham roll off the tongue.

I loved the days of standing in 40k crowds. Nowhere near as good now.

 

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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 05 Mar 21 1.57pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

great question - and it taps into the theme I'm always banging on about - I hope we haven't lost the dream of being a big (or biggish, or just bigger) club, bcos we used to have a handful of 40+k crowds every season in the top flight pre 1981 (when the capacity was reduced from 51 k to 30k and crowds subsequently dropped by 10k a week - our poor form had something to do with that, but Sainsbury's replacing the Whitehorse Lane end and the away fans sectioned off in the Holmesdale was the main culprit). There were 50,000 diehards at Wembley a few years back, but realistically I would like to see a 40k stadium and we'd get 30-35k per week (like Brighton, Leic, Saints and Wolves) no probs, and a few sell outs like the old days.


Times have changed, the cost of watching football has altered to an amazing extent., for that reason how many would watch Palace, would always be a matter of how successful, and in this day and age how stylish they were.
In days gone by first division games against the top sides drew the odd 50,000 standing, a few more 40,000 plus. Way back forth division records were set at over 40,000. Never was the cost as it is now. But that potential has never gone away.
The only question s, have always been. Why no one has ever taken that potential and competed on equal terms with the London, giants.
And why has every effort ever to break the ice on that, been thwarted at every turn by red tape, thrown at it by every local council , or City council, that would has any input to the subject of Palace growing.
One could say our sugar daddy has never arrived, so it could never be financed. Maybe he has many times , but he recognised a brick wall when he saw it, and walked away.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 05 Mar 21 2.23pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

The demographic of our catchment area has changed dramatically. I lived in Bromley in the 70s and used to go to the local butchers, the greengrocer, the newsagent, the tobacconist, used to know them all by name. At my school all the kids were English. Most supported Palace and were local to the area.
You hardly need me to tell you what it's like now. The 'locals' in the main, are not interested in Palace. You would think we would resonate with the new demographic, considering the make up of our squad, but we don't. However, if we did well, we might be able to get 40 thousand again. As we are, we hardly even sell out for big matches. I regularly get tickets for the biggest matches with little problem: something that us nearly impossible for fans of Utd or Liverpool etc.
We could do with reconnecting with our area, or our area reconnecting with us.

 


I used to put the manager's name in front of Red and Blue but got fed up with changing it. If someone cool becomes our manager then maybe..

Red and Blue Army!

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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 05 Mar 21 2.28pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

One thing I noticed the other week was CPFC had something like 1M followers on Twitter, yet Celtic FC only had a fraction over 700,000.
Probably not a reliable guide line in fairness but Palace aren't even in the same ballpark supporter wise compared to Celtic.

 


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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 05 Mar 21 2.50pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

I think you'd need to split supporters up into groups:

1. Will go to watch regularly in the Championship: 15,000?

2. Will go to watch regularly in the premier league: 25,000?

3. Will turn up for a cup final, play off final, etc: 50,000?

4. Watches on TV but never goes: ????

5. Used to go but now doesn't: ????

And the great unknown...

6. Would turn up to watch premier league football if Selhurst could accommodate more people: ????

I presume the club feel demand exists or they wouldn't be trying to build the new stand, but when does that demand run dry? Would we fill a 40,000 capacity Selhurst if we had an average premier league team? Possibly, though perhaps the idea would be (and hopefully is) that a larger ground results in more money to invest in the team, which equals more demand for tickets to watch them.

Personally I reckon the 'catchment area' figure is a red herring, as there may well be a lot of people living close to the ground, but how many of them have the inclination or the money to go and support Palace? The most densely populated areas tend to be the poorest, and I'm not sure there is much of a culture of going to watch live football in the local community, partly because its so expensive, and partly because the community is very diverse now, not like the 1970s when the vast majority were culturally inclined to go to football. Even when it was £10 to stand on the Holmesdale and we had a good team in the early 90s, there weren't exactly queues around the block.

A big chunk of most London clubs active support base is made up of ex-pats like me: Born and brought up near the ground, taken along by Dad in the days when it was affordable, have since moved away and done OK enough to afford tickets and like to travel back. It's the same at West Ham, Tottenham etc.

There's every chance that the next generation of Palace fans are kids like my boy, born and raised in leafy Surrey with no personal connection to the area around Selhurst other than through me.

 

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View Tom-the-eagle's Profile Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 05 Mar 21 3.14pm Send a Private Message to Tom-the-eagle Add Tom-the-eagle as a friend

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

great question - and it taps into the theme I'm always banging on about - I hope we haven't lost the dream of being a big (or biggish, or just bigger) club, bcos we used to have a handful of 40+k crowds every season in the top flight pre 1981 (when the capacity was reduced from 51 k to 30k and crowds subsequently dropped by 10k a week - our poor form had something to do with that, but Sainsbury's replacing the Whitehorse Lane end and the away fans sectioned off in the Holmesdale was the main culprit). There were 50,000 diehards at Wembley a few years back, but realistically I would like to see a 40k stadium and we'd get 30-35k per week (like Brighton, Leic, Saints and Wolves) no probs, and a few sell outs like the old days.


Respectfully Iím not sure how much of this I agree with.

First you say there were 50k diehards at Wembley A few years back.
I knew people who went to that game who hadnít been since the cup final 25 years before! People were coming out of the woodwork trying to get tickets. Some werenít even Palace fans.
To me a diehard is someone who turns up when we are playing Crewe etc.

Secondly, I donít get why by we would get 30-35k every week by building a 40k stadium when we often donít fill Selhurst which holds 26k

Just my opinion

 


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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 05 Mar 21 3.42pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle


Respectfully Iím not sure how much of this I agree with.

First you say there were 50k diehards at Wembley A few years back.
I knew people who went to that game who hadnít been since the cup final 25 years before! People were coming out of the woodwork trying to get tickets. Some werenít even Palace fans.
To me a diehard is someone who turns up when we are playing Crewe etc.

Secondly, I donít get why by we would get 30-35k every week by building a 40k stadium when we often donít fill Selhurst which holds 26k

Just my opinion


Can only think the club think they can put a top class set of players in the the new arena.
It has all become about entertainment, for many. Thatís how it is.
It wasnít always . There was a time when just being in the same room as Man U would fill a fifty thousand stadium, with Palace, fans.
Even allowing for another good hiding. Not any more.

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 05 Mar 21 3.52pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle


Respectfully Iím not sure how much of this I agree with.

First you say there were 50k diehards at Wembley A few years back.
I knew people who went to that game who hadnít been since the cup final 25 years before! People were coming out of the woodwork trying to get tickets. Some werenít even Palace fans.
To me a diehard is someone who turns up when we are playing Crewe etc.

Secondly, I donít get why by we would get 30-35k every week by building a 40k stadium when we often donít fill Selhurst which holds 26k

Just my opinion

No problem with that opinion Tom, I just see it a bit differently.

I know this is taking it to extremes but when you get a match day experience like Wembley, Twickenham or Spurs where you can get a drink, get some decent grub and sit in a seat that isnít half the size it should be or have a steel girder blocking part of your view, then the attraction of a sporting venue goes up massively. You also need to price it correctly for families so that a whole family can go out for the day and ideally still get a bit of change out of £100.

IMO if we had a new out of town ground with decent facilities including parking and a train station nearby people would flock there. I admit there is a certain nostalgia walking the back streets around Selhurst to get to the ground and it does add to the old school feel of going to football, but that is where the match day experience ends for me at SP, unless I fork out big style for some corporate entertainment and believe me, that doesnít come cheap. The reason I think we could easily fill a 40,000 stadium is because we have a very large catchment area and there are plenty of potential Palace converts out there.

Football should be an enjoyable day out, not a struggle to get there, a struggle to get food and drink and an even worse struggle to get home. My dream of a Brighton style town fringe stadium will probably never come true, so I hope our next best thing of a new stand at SP actually comes to fruition in my lifetime. I do feel for the regulars in the Arthur though, it canít be great in there (never had that experience) and that ainít likely to change for a long long time.

 

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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 05 Mar 21 4.12pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout


Can only think the club think they can put a top class set of players in the the new arena.
It has all become about entertainment, for many. Thatís how it is.
It wasnít always . There was a time when just being in the same room as Man U would fill a fifty thousand stadium, with Palace, fans.
Even allowing for another good hiding. Not any more.

I'm sure we could easily fill a 40k capacity stadium on a regular basis all the while we're a Prem club playing exciting football. Bloody Sainsbury's.

I think our International appeal, and apparently it's huge, has a lot to do with the club's name. Crystal Palace has a kind of glamorous ring to it that say Leeds, doesn't have to folk on the other side of the world. The name attracts attention.

There's a Crystal Palace hotel in Tombstone Arizona. Not a lot of people know that.

 


Dad and I would watch games on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end, probably at the same time as Roy.

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