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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 05 Apr 21 10.14am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

...one of the worst numbers of goals conceded in the whole league.

Above the bottom two teams, in the table, there is only one other team who has leaked in more goals than us (Leeds). And Leeds are way above us in terms of Goal-difference and points earned.

Of course, the numbers can be misleading. Numbers are skewed by the kickings we took from Liverpool, Leicester et al. And the fact we are so high in the table is a testament to many days of heroic defensive performances. Many a 0-0 or a 0-1 has got us to safety.

In this day and age, defense is the responsibility of the whole squad, not just the back four. Although, Benteke has been good at preventing goals, our defence really starts at mid-field.

So what would you change ?

is it our 'keeper ? our back four ? our formation ? midfield ? our distribution when we have the ball ? Is our use of the offside trap inappropriate ? our line too high ? our defence against corners & other set-pieces ?

would a different manager get a better defensive performance from these fellas ? or worse ?

We are playing a strong Everton today. If we let in a goal or two, we Will HAVE one of the WORST number of goals conceded of all the top 18 teams in the league.

Discuss

Edited by PalazioVecchio (05 Apr 2021 10.53am)

Edited by PalazioVecchio (05 Apr 2021 11.44am)

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Apr 21 10.21am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Kept 3 'Clean sheets' in our last 4 games !

 

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View crystal-purley's Profile crystal-purley Flag Purley 05 Apr 21 10.22am Send a Private Message to crystal-purley Add crystal-purley as a friend

Not too many changes to make really
Change the training sessions as we lose the occasional player that way
Change the way we buy players as the older players tend to have only 25 matches per season
Maybe try one of the younger players sometimes

Edited by crystal-purley (05 Apr 2021 10.23am)

 


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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 05 Apr 21 10.55am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by crystal-purley


Maybe try one of the younger players sometimes

Edited by crystal-purley (05 Apr 2021 10.23am)

Not so much a maybe, as a Defo.

 


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View joe_cpfc's Profile joe_cpfc Flag Basingstoke 05 Apr 21 11.06am Send a Private Message to joe_cpfc Add joe_cpfc as a friend

Our setup puts our defence under massive pressure for most of every game so if the defence has an off game, which is bound to happen, then there's going to be a few batterings.

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 05 Apr 21 11.46am Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

...one of the worst numbers of goals conceded in the whole league.

Above the bottom two teams, in the table, there is only one other team who has leaked in more goals than us (Leeds). And Leeds are way above us in terms of Goal-difference and points earned.

Of course, the numbers can be misleading. Numbers are skewed by the kickings we took from Liverpool, Leicester et al. And the fact we are so high in the table is a testament to many days of heroic defensive performances. Many a 0-0 or a 0-1 has got us to safety.

In this day and age, defense is the responsibility of the whole squad, not just the back four. Although, Benteke has been good at preventing goals, our defence really starts at mid-field.

So what would you change ?

is it our 'keeper ? our back four ? our formation ? midfield ? our distribution when we have the ball ? Is our use of the offside trap inappropriate ? our line too high ? our defence against corners & other set-pieces ?

would a different manager get a better defensive performance from these fellas ? or worse ?

We are playing a strong Everton today. If we let in a goal or two, we Will HAVE the WORST number of goals conceded of all the top 18 teams in the league.

Discuss

Edited by PalazioVecchio (05 Apr 2021 10.53am)


Before, discussing the topic, I'll let the pedant in me (sorry M.E.) get the better of me by pointing out the following inaccuracies in your post:

1. We have the SIXTH worst goals conceded record (47 goals) - you have overlooked Newcastle (50) and Southampton (53). Of course, we may well overtake them tonight!
2. We drew 1-1 with Leicester, so weren't thrashed by them (yet)
3. We've had just three 0-0 draws (fewer than Man U) and three 1-0 wins, so the remaining 25 points gained have come from other scores.

I think Joe_ has put his finger on a major issue and I quote:


"Our setup puts our defence under massive pressure for most of every game so if the defence has an off game, which is bound to happen, then there's going to be a few batterings.


Although, he has a point our worst result came when we tried to go toe-to-toe against Liverpool. Likewise, our attempt to take the game to Spurs at the beginning of the 2nd half of the recent away game saw us quickly demolished.

Owing to our slow and aged defence and defensive midfield, we can't afford to defend too far up the pitch otherwise the oppo will get behind us either down the flanks or with balls over the top.

We haven't had a settled back four at any time during this season. Indeed, I can't recall a game in which we played our strongest defensive line-up (because of our horrendous injury record).

What to do?

A change of manager on its own is unlikely to make things better. We need:
a) at least 1 young CB with some pace
b) a box-to-box midfielder who can shield the ball well going forward
c) a CDM who can see a pass and play it
d) a pacy wide man who can put good crosses over.
Just those four will cost more than our club is likely to splash out, so at least one of them would have to be a loan.

If we got the four of them, the manager (whoever that might be) would at least have options as to how to set the team up.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 05 Apr 21 5.25pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


Before, discussing the topic, I'll let the pedant in me (sorry M.E.) get the better of me by pointing out the following inaccuracies in your post:

1. We have the SIXTH worst goals conceded record (47 goals) - you have overlooked Newcastle (50) and Southampton (53). Of course, we may well overtake them tonight!
2. We drew 1-1 with Leicester, so weren't thrashed by them (yet)
3. We've had just three 0-0 draws (fewer than Man U) and three 1-0 wins, so the remaining 25 points gained have come from other scores.

I think Joe_ has put his finger on a major issue and I quote:


"Our setup puts our defence under massive pressure for most of every game so if the defence has an off game, which is bound to happen, then there's going to be a few batterings.


Although, he has a point our worst result came when we tried to go toe-to-toe against Liverpool. Likewise, our attempt to take the game to Spurs at the beginning of the 2nd half of the recent away game saw us quickly demolished.

Owing to our slow and aged defence and defensive midfield, we can't afford to defend too far up the pitch otherwise the oppo will get behind us either down the flanks or with balls over the top.

We haven't had a settled back four at any time during this season. Indeed, I can't recall a game in which we played our strongest defensive line-up (because of our horrendous injury record).

What to do?

A change of manager on its own is unlikely to make things better. We need:
a) at least 1 young CB with some pace
b) a box-to-box midfielder who can shield the ball well going forward
c) a CDM who can see a pass and play it
d) a pacy wide man who can put good crosses over.
Just those four will cost more than our club is likely to splash out, so at least one of them would have to be a loan.

If we got the four of them, the manager (whoever that might be) would at least have options as to how to set the team up.

nice one I did laugh at your first line

 

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