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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 05 Apr 21 10.14am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

...one of the worst numbers of goals conceded in the whole league.

Above the bottom two teams, in the table, there is only one other team who has leaked in more goals than us (Leeds). And Leeds are way above us in terms of Goal-difference and points earned.

Of course, the numbers can be misleading. Numbers are skewed by the kickings we took from Liverpool, Leicester et al. And the fact we are so high in the table is a testament to many days of heroic defensive performances. Many a 0-0 or a 0-1 has got us to safety.

In this day and age, defense is the responsibility of the whole squad, not just the back four. Although, Benteke has been good at preventing goals, our defence really starts at mid-field.

So what would you change ?

is it our 'keeper ? our back four ? our formation ? midfield ? our distribution when we have the ball ? Is our use of the offside trap inappropriate ? our line too high ? our defence against corners & other set-pieces ?

would a different manager get a better defensive performance from these fellas ? or worse ?

We are playing a strong Everton today. If we let in a goal or two, we Will HAVE one of the WORST number of goals conceded of all the top 18 teams in the league.

Discuss

Edited by PalazioVecchio (05 Apr 2021 10.53am)

Edited by PalazioVecchio (05 Apr 2021 11.44am)

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Apr 21 10.21am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Kept 3 'Clean sheets' in our last 4 games !

 

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View crystal-purley's Profile crystal-purley Flag Purley 05 Apr 21 10.22am Send a Private Message to crystal-purley Add crystal-purley as a friend

Not too many changes to make really
Change the training sessions as we lose the occasional player that way
Change the way we buy players as the older players tend to have only 25 matches per season
Maybe try one of the younger players sometimes

Edited by crystal-purley (05 Apr 2021 10.23am)

 


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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 05 Apr 21 10.55am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by crystal-purley


Maybe try one of the younger players sometimes

Edited by crystal-purley (05 Apr 2021 10.23am)

Not so much a maybe, as a Defo.

 


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View joe_cpfc's Profile joe_cpfc Flag Basingstoke 05 Apr 21 11.06am Send a Private Message to joe_cpfc Add joe_cpfc as a friend

Our setup puts our defence under massive pressure for most of every game so if the defence has an off game, which is bound to happen, then there's going to be a few batterings.

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 05 Apr 21 11.46am Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

...one of the worst numbers of goals conceded in the whole league.

Above the bottom two teams, in the table, there is only one other team who has leaked in more goals than us (Leeds). And Leeds are way above us in terms of Goal-difference and points earned.

Of course, the numbers can be misleading. Numbers are skewed by the kickings we took from Liverpool, Leicester et al. And the fact we are so high in the table is a testament to many days of heroic defensive performances. Many a 0-0 or a 0-1 has got us to safety.

In this day and age, defense is the responsibility of the whole squad, not just the back four. Although, Benteke has been good at preventing goals, our defence really starts at mid-field.

So what would you change ?

is it our 'keeper ? our back four ? our formation ? midfield ? our distribution when we have the ball ? Is our use of the offside trap inappropriate ? our line too high ? our defence against corners & other set-pieces ?

would a different manager get a better defensive performance from these fellas ? or worse ?

We are playing a strong Everton today. If we let in a goal or two, we Will HAVE the WORST number of goals conceded of all the top 18 teams in the league.

Discuss

Edited by PalazioVecchio (05 Apr 2021 10.53am)


Before, discussing the topic, I'll let the pedant in me (sorry M.E.) get the better of me by pointing out the following inaccuracies in your post:

1. We have the SIXTH worst goals conceded record (47 goals) - you have overlooked Newcastle (50) and Southampton (53). Of course, we may well overtake them tonight!
2. We drew 1-1 with Leicester, so weren't thrashed by them (yet)
3. We've had just three 0-0 draws (fewer than Man U) and three 1-0 wins, so the remaining 25 points gained have come from other scores.

I think Joe_ has put his finger on a major issue and I quote:


"Our setup puts our defence under massive pressure for most of every game so if the defence has an off game, which is bound to happen, then there's going to be a few batterings.


Although, he has a point our worst result came when we tried to go toe-to-toe against Liverpool. Likewise, our attempt to take the game to Spurs at the beginning of the 2nd half of the recent away game saw us quickly demolished.

Owing to our slow and aged defence and defensive midfield, we can't afford to defend too far up the pitch otherwise the oppo will get behind us either down the flanks or with balls over the top.

We haven't had a settled back four at any time during this season. Indeed, I can't recall a game in which we played our strongest defensive line-up (because of our horrendous injury record).

What to do?

A change of manager on its own is unlikely to make things better. We need:
a) at least 1 young CB with some pace
b) a box-to-box midfielder who can shield the ball well going forward
c) a CDM who can see a pass and play it
d) a pacy wide man who can put good crosses over.
Just those four will cost more than our club is likely to splash out, so at least one of them would have to be a loan.

If we got the four of them, the manager (whoever that might be) would at least have options as to how to set the team up.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 05 Apr 21 5.25pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


Before, discussing the topic, I'll let the pedant in me (sorry M.E.) get the better of me by pointing out the following inaccuracies in your post:

1. We have the SIXTH worst goals conceded record (47 goals) - you have overlooked Newcastle (50) and Southampton (53). Of course, we may well overtake them tonight!
2. We drew 1-1 with Leicester, so weren't thrashed by them (yet)
3. We've had just three 0-0 draws (fewer than Man U) and three 1-0 wins, so the remaining 25 points gained have come from other scores.

I think Joe_ has put his finger on a major issue and I quote:


"Our setup puts our defence under massive pressure for most of every game so if the defence has an off game, which is bound to happen, then there's going to be a few batterings.


Although, he has a point our worst result came when we tried to go toe-to-toe against Liverpool. Likewise, our attempt to take the game to Spurs at the beginning of the 2nd half of the recent away game saw us quickly demolished.

Owing to our slow and aged defence and defensive midfield, we can't afford to defend too far up the pitch otherwise the oppo will get behind us either down the flanks or with balls over the top.

We haven't had a settled back four at any time during this season. Indeed, I can't recall a game in which we played our strongest defensive line-up (because of our horrendous injury record).

What to do?

A change of manager on its own is unlikely to make things better. We need:
a) at least 1 young CB with some pace
b) a box-to-box midfielder who can shield the ball well going forward
c) a CDM who can see a pass and play it
d) a pacy wide man who can put good crosses over.
Just those four will cost more than our club is likely to splash out, so at least one of them would have to be a loan.

If we got the four of them, the manager (whoever that might be) would at least have options as to how to set the team up.

nice one I did laugh at your first line

 

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View Bexley Eagle's Profile Bexley Eagle Flag Bexley Kent 21 Apr 21 10.51pm Send a Private Message to Bexley Eagle Add Bexley Eagle as a friend

I just watched a replay of the play off final v Watford on Sky Sports mix. What a goal line headed clearance by Joel Ward in the last minute of extra time. He epitomises what our club is all about. He may not be the most gifted but he never knowingly letís us down.

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag bristol 22 Apr 21 10.36am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


Before, discussing the topic, I'll let the pedant in me (sorry M.E.) get the better of me by pointing out the following inaccuracies in your post:

1. We have the SIXTH worst goals conceded record (47 goals) - you have overlooked Newcastle (50) and Southampton (53). Of course, we may well overtake them tonight!
2. We drew 1-1 with Leicester, so weren't thrashed by them (yet)
3. We've had just three 0-0 draws (fewer than Man U) and three 1-0 wins, so the remaining 25 points gained have come from other scores.

I think Joe_ has put his finger on a major issue and I quote:


"Our setup puts our defence under massive pressure for most of every game so if the defence has an off game, which is bound to happen, then there's going to be a few batterings.


Although, he has a point our worst result came when we tried to go toe-to-toe against Liverpool. Likewise, our attempt to take the game to Spurs at the beginning of the 2nd half of the recent away game saw us quickly demolished.

Owing to our slow and aged defence and defensive midfield, we can't afford to defend too far up the pitch otherwise the oppo will get behind us either down the flanks or with balls over the top.

We haven't had a settled back four at any time during this season. Indeed, I can't recall a game in which we played our strongest defensive line-up (because of our horrendous injury record).

What to do?

A change of manager on its own is unlikely to make things better. We need:
a) at least 1 young CB with some pace
b) a box-to-box midfielder who can shield the ball well going forward
c) a CDM who can see a pass and play it
d) a pacy wide man who can put good crosses over.
Just those four will cost more than our club is likely to splash out, so at least one of them would have to be a loan.

If we got the four of them, the manager (whoever that might be) would at least have options as to how to set the team up.

Good post, but an expensive gesture if those 4 improvements to the squad then spent the bulk of the season in the physio room after suffering mysterious injuries in training.

Get that issue sorted and we will be a safe mid table team that never flirts with relegation and has the odd flutter in the Cups and Europe.

BTW the absence of Tomkins has been a major factor in our goal concession. A Cahill-Tomkins defence filled the lines in front of them with confidence to play better and kept them bl00dy goals out. Like Liverpool are finding, lose important characters in defence and the fabric crumbles.

 

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View Painter's Profile Painter Online Flag Croydon 22 Apr 21 1.08pm Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


Before, discussing the topic, I'll let the pedant in me (sorry M.E.) get the better of me by pointing out the following inaccuracies in your post:

1. We have the SIXTH worst goals conceded record (47 goals) - you have overlooked Newcastle (50) and Southampton (53). Of course, we may well overtake them tonight!
2. We drew 1-1 with Leicester, so weren't thrashed by them (yet)
3. We've had just three 0-0 draws (fewer than Man U) and three 1-0 wins, so the remaining 25 points gained have come from other scores.

I think Joe_ has put his finger on a major issue and I quote:


"Our setup puts our defence under massive pressure for most of every game so if the defence has an off game, which is bound to happen, then there's going to be a few batterings.


Although, he has a point our worst result came when we tried to go toe-to-toe against Liverpool. Likewise, our attempt to take the game to Spurs at the beginning of the 2nd half of the recent away game saw us quickly demolished.

Owing to our slow and aged defence and defensive midfield, we can't afford to defend too far up the pitch otherwise the oppo will get behind us either down the flanks or with balls over the top.

We haven't had a settled back four at any time during this season. Indeed, I can't recall a game in which we played our strongest defensive line-up (because of our horrendous injury record).

What to do?

A change of manager on its own is unlikely to make things better. We need:
a) at least 1 young CB with some pace
b) a box-to-box midfielder who can shield the ball well going forward
c) a CDM who can see a pass and play it
d) a pacy wide man who can put good crosses over.
Just those four will cost more than our club is likely to splash out, so at least one of them would have to be a loan.

If we got the four of them, the manager (whoever that might be) would at least have options as to how to set the team up.

Very strange, nobody is pointing the finger at Guaita. I donít imagine Hennessy would of got such sympathy!

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 22 Apr 21 2.58pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

Very strange, nobody is pointing the finger at Guaita. I donít imagine Hennessy would of got such sympathy!


Indeed. I find the bias against Hennessey somewhat over the top. My assumption is that with Butland on a medium term contract, Wayne will be leaving in the summer in search of 1st team football.

As for Guaita, He's a great shop stopper, positions himself well BUT he doesn't command his area and that has IMHO led to some unnecessary goals against. I'd still have him as our no.1 but would like to see Butland given a few games once we're mathematically safe.

 

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View palace99's Profile palace99 Flag New Mills 22 Apr 21 3.09pm Send a Private Message to palace99 Add palace99 as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


Indeed. I find the bias against Hennessey somewhat over the top. My assumption is that with Butland on a medium term contract, Wayne will be leaving in the summer in search of 1st team football.

As for Guaita, He's a great shop stopper, positions himself well BUT he doesn't command his area and that has IMHO led to some unnecessary goals against. I'd still have him as our no.1 but would like to see Butland given a few games once we're mathematically safe.

Not having a pop at VG just pointing out an obvious - Chelsea's 3rd goal will be repeated regularly against us. Put the ball onto the edge of the 6 yard box and VG won't come. Win the header and it's a nailed on goal. Burnley clearly targeted us at corners by flooding the 6 yard box and their 2nd goal was perfectly executed.

VG is by no means the only goalie who doesn't command his area but we do seem to concede more often as a result.

 

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