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View SwordFish's Profile SwordFish Flag Peasmarsh,East Sussex 11 Apr 21 10.50am Send a Private Message to SwordFish Add SwordFish as a friend

Very weird season, I’m ecstatic we are not in the relegation battle , and that is a great achievement for this stage of the season, however , I do understand that the large section of the fan base are fed up with our performances , with the quote “be careful what you wish for” I get that aswell , we havnt been in the relegation zone for three years so that’s a great achievement and maybe we have “gone up a level” however , as a hardened supporter I do think many of our games this season have not only been poor but absolutely shambolic , in my option , Roy has made his own fate and it’s a shame because he should be the manager who is put down in our history as “steadying the ship” and making us a established premier league side but his refusal to change things up when we go a goal or two down is not only frustrating but down right idiotic! A quote from Chris Coleman springs to mind when he was commentating on the Tottenham game and we conceded , the main commentator said “what’s palaces plan b?” Coleman replied , “roys plan b is to work harder at plan a “! Now that to me just about sums it up, nowadays if we go a goal down, to me, that’s it! Game over! I have never felt like that before watching palace. I’ve also felt we are in with a shout with the passion of the players and us as fans when we are in the stadium
I would be amazed if we havnt got a plan in place to succeed Roy at the end of this season , who that will be ? I don’t know and I do absolutely trust Steve parish so I’m not really that concerned .

What I do want to see for the remainder of this season , for Roy’s own sake and his memory in palace folklore for what I said at the start as seeing us through 3 years in the prem , is a shake up to the starting lineup , there is no way that we should start with the same team who put that dross on the plate yesterday.

Luka and Jairo I feel are our main problems , Luka , when he first came was solid and the “the next jedinak “ but now, I feel he offers absolutely nothing as a player and a captain. I know this will annoy some people aswell but I also think Jairo offers absolutely nothing either.

So this would be my lineup for what it’s worth
Guita
Ward Kelly Cahill (C) Mitchell
Zaha kouyate McCarthy Schlupp
Benteke batshuyai

Eze isn’t doing the defensive duties he needs to do and he needs to mature ,

This I hope would allow us to have a real go and also please the fans that he is trying to change things.

And if things go wrong ? Make a substitution!
I said to my old man at half time yesterday , that a change or two needed to be made at half time because on no way was them players performances acceptable , so it should be noted you play like that? You get dropped , but he didn’t!!

Anyway let me know your thoughts , I wanted to get out my thoughts on our situation, and believe me , I’m very happy we are still a prem side and although we have lots out of contract and it’s worrying , it’s also a time to be optimistic because If the board get it right, we could really make our stamp on the league , but yes get it wrong, and we all know what could happen , either way COYP!

 


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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 11 Apr 21 11.38am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

I have a sneaking suspicion that our season will tail off like it did last season, and a few very necessary changes will be made close season.

 

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View EddieMac's Profile EddieMac Flag 11 Apr 21 12.02pm Send a Private Message to EddieMac Add EddieMac as a friend

Luka and Jairo I feel are our main problems , Luka , when he first came was solid and the “the next jedinak “ but now, I feel he offers absolutely nothing as a player and a captain. I know this will annoy some people aswell but I also think Jairo offers absolutely nothing either.

I agree with you completely on this. The majority of games are played in the middle of the park and it is where we get battered every week. Luka is a defensive midfielder and that is where he has been good the last few seasons, especially in a midfield 3 but when he plays with Jairo he always struggles. Jairo on the other hand could play in a midfield 8 and still look like a 4 year old lost in the park.

 

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View davehuggins's Profile davehuggins Flag 11 Apr 21 12.21pm Send a Private Message to davehuggins Add davehuggins as a friend

Great post, for me we just lack the passion of past Palace teams. I believe RH has done a brilliant job on the whole but with our situation now I wonder if a change is needed? So, why are our performances so disappointing? Could it be the contract issue? could it be no crowds? Could it be players are fed up with RH? I guess only those involved really know!

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 11 Apr 21 12.24pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by EddieMac

Luka and Jairo I feel are our main problems , Luka , when he first came was solid and the “the next jedinak “ but now, I feel he offers absolutely nothing as a player and a captain. I know this will annoy some people aswell but I also think Jairo offers absolutely nothing either.

I agree with you completely on this. The majority of games are played in the middle of the park and it is where we get battered every week. Luka is a defensive midfielder and that is where he has been good the last few seasons, especially in a midfield 3 but when he plays with Jairo he always struggles. Jairo on the other hand could play in a midfield 8 and still look like a 4 year old lost in the park.

Roy's midfield favourites lack the ability to shield the ball, carry it 10 yards, look up, and pick a pass. Eze can do it, but he is isolated out on the left.

 

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View Uphill's Profile Uphill Flag Bedford 11 Apr 21 8.43pm Send a Private Message to Uphill Add Uphill as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Roy's midfield favourites lack the ability to shield the ball, carry it 10 yards, look up, and pick a pass. Eze can do it, but he is isolated out on the left.

That is the crux of our problems in the Hodgson era and why we have not, and will not, progress until we invest in skill, which as we all know there is absolutely no substitute for.

 


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View palace99's Profile palace99 Flag New Mills 12 Apr 21 12.33pm Send a Private Message to palace99 Add palace99 as a friend

injuries haven't helped but Roy's reluctance to change hasn't helped.

Changes for Leicester will probably be Mitchell for PVA and McCarthy for Jairo - i suspect both would have been done earlier if both were 100% fit.

Eze has been shocking for a while, both on the left and in the centre so i'd expect Jeff to come in on the left.

I'm not expecting many other changes.

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 12 Apr 21 4.01pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by palace99

injuries haven't helped but Roy's reluctance to change hasn't helped.

Changes for Leicester will probably be Mitchell for PVA and McCarthy for Jairo - i suspect both would have been done earlier if both were 100% fit.

Eze has been shocking for a while, both on the left and in the centre so i'd expect Jeff to come in on the left.

I'm not expecting many other changes.


Yep the above changes would not surprise me. Having seen the U23 game against Stoke, neither Dann nor Kelly did enough to warrant recalls and Mateta, despite his two goals still needs more time to adjust to the game here (IMHO) so I expect Benteke to start again or just possibly Batshuayi given his cameo against Everton (After all, it was Benteke's 15 mins against Brighton that got him starting the next game and he's started every game since).

 

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View Crystal_Clear's Profile Crystal_Clear Flag Belfast 12 Apr 21 4.13pm Send a Private Message to Crystal_Clear Add Crystal_Clear as a friend

Spot with the midfield issue.

Kouyate would provide a presence in midfield which we don't have at the moment. Put him alongside McCarthy, if he is fit.

I would have Eze playing as a No. 10, but he needs a centre forward that will run off the ball. Benteke simply won't do that, and Batsuayi doesn't do much running either (although he is dec ent finisher). I would play Ayew upfront with Eze behind.

Guaita
Ward
Kelly
Cahill
Mitchell
Kouyate
McCarthy
Schlupp
Zaha
Eze
Ayew

 

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View Elphers40's Profile Elphers40 Flag Northants 12 Apr 21 9.23pm Send a Private Message to Elphers40 Add Elphers40 as a friend

Originally posted by SwordFish

Very weird season, I’m ecstatic we are not in the relegation battle , and that is a great achievement for this stage of the season, however , I do understand that the large section of the fan base are fed up with our performances , with the quote “be careful what you wish for” I get that aswell , we havnt been in the relegation zone for three years so that’s a great achievement and maybe we have “gone up a level” however , as a hardened supporter I do think many of our games this season have not only been poor but absolutely shambolic , in my option , Roy has made his own fate and it’s a shame because he should be the manager who is put down in our history as “steadying the ship” and making us a established premier league side but his refusal to change things up when we go a goal or two down is not only frustrating but down right idiotic! A quote from Chris Coleman springs to mind when he was commentating on the Tottenham game and we conceded , the main commentator said “what’s palaces plan b?” Coleman replied , “roys plan b is to work harder at plan a “! Now that to me just about sums it up, nowadays if we go a goal down, to me, that’s it! Game over! I have never felt like that before watching palace. I’ve also felt we are in with a shout with the passion of the players and us as fans when we are in the stadium
I would be amazed if we havnt got a plan in place to succeed Roy at the end of this season , who that will be ? I don’t know and I do absolutely trust Steve parish so I’m not really that concerned .

What I do want to see for the remainder of this season , for Roy’s own sake and his memory in palace folklore for what I said at the start as seeing us through 3 years in the prem , is a shake up to the starting lineup , there is no way that we should start with the same team who put that dross on the plate yesterday.

Luka and Jairo I feel are our main problems , Luka , when he first came was solid and the “the next jedinak “ but now, I feel he offers absolutely nothing as a player and a captain. I know this will annoy some people aswell but I also think Jairo offers absolutely nothing either.

So this would be my lineup for what it’s worth
Guita
Ward Kelly Cahill (C) Mitchell
Zaha kouyate McCarthy Schlupp
Benteke batshuyai

Eze isn’t doing the defensive duties he needs to do and he needs to mature ,

This I hope would allow us to have a real go and also please the fans that he is trying to change things.

And if things go wrong ? Make a substitution!
I said to my old man at half time yesterday , that a change or two needed to be made at half time because on no way was them players performances acceptable , so it should be noted you play like that? You get dropped , but he didn’t!!

Anyway let me know your thoughts , I wanted to get out my thoughts on our situation, and believe me , I’m very happy we are still a prem side and although we have lots out of contract and it’s worrying , it’s also a time to be optimistic because If the board get it right, we could really make our stamp on the league , but yes get it wrong, and we all know what could happen , either way COYP!

Really good post - the starting 11 with Wilf on Right and Shlupp on Left would solve the glaring lack of width and predictably of our attacks and would help to get the best from CB (although I would really like to see what Mateta has to offer).
I do Accept CB has been better btw - but he’s hardly prolific is he.

At this point in the season I don’t see the value in starting him over Mateta - we ought to be looking to bringing players into the team with one eye on the future.


 

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View sprites's Profile sprites Online Flag Auckland 12 Apr 21 9.38pm Send a Private Message to sprites Add sprites as a friend

Originally posted by Elphers40

Really good post - the starting 11 with Wilf on Right and Shlupp on Left would solve the glaring lack of width and predictably of our attacks and would help to get the best from CB (although I would really like to see what Mateta has to offer).
I do Accept CB has been better btw - but he’s hardly prolific is he.

At this point in the season I don’t see the value in starting him over Mateta - we ought to be looking to bringing players into the team with one eye on the future.


Because he's better, perhaps?

Remember, there's still money up for grabs based on where we finish in the table. Top 10 isn't out of reach either, which I'm pretty sure is the goal. And for an incoming manager/players...a team finishing 10 in the premier league has more appeal than a team finishing 15th. We should be throwing everything at the finish.

 

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View kev64's Profile kev64 Flag Cambs 12 Apr 21 10.15pm Send a Private Message to kev64 Add kev64 as a friend

Originally posted by sprites

Because he's better, perhaps?

Remember, there's still money up for grabs based on where we finish in the table. Top 10 isn't out of reach either, which I'm pretty sure is the goal. And for an incoming manager/players...a team finishing 10 in the premier league has more appeal than a team finishing 15th. We should be throwing everything at the finish.

Roy threw in the towel at 38 points .. were in the race to 17th place. If we get another point this season I will be amazed, this is Groundhog Day Royball.

 

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