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View palace99's Profile palace99 Flag New Mills 13 Apr 21 5.00pm Send a Private Message to palace99 Add palace99 as a friend

Originally posted by braunstoneagle

in the report it said we only had £58m in cash reserves due to a £30m loan we had taken out.

headlines for me are up to last years accounts (if i remember correctly) we had actually broken even over our tenure in the PL.

if it had not been for AWB sale last year would have been £40m loss, so £60 this year factors in covid losses.

we could easily clear £10m a year in wages this summer without losing wilf.

i really, really want him to stay his whole career but can see the £50 & additional £6.5m off the wage bill being attractive to the americans.

agree the cash figure looks better than it is because of the £30m loan - the zero net debt is a little misleading as essentially the day you take a loan out and put it in your bank account your net debt is zero (i.e the 2 are equal).
We clearly have more debt than we did this time last year and the loan was intended as a covid buffer so the cash figure will be severely lower today than it was when these figures were completed (31/7/20)

 

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I didn't buy the shirt this year so that explains about £50.

 


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just re-reading the accounts summary again and it says wages were 93% of the £142.3m revenue, although this was for a 13 month year, rather than 12.

So adjusting this for 12 months, it gives wages of £122.2m which is 86% wages to revenue.

This may include all staff rather than just players and coaches but it is still massively high - last year it was quoted as 78% although that % was based on footballing wages only.

Until SP gets this under control we will never be able to compete in the transfer market

 

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View Ali_Campbell's Profile Ali_Campbell Flag New Addington 15 Apr 21 7.50pm Send a Private Message to Ali_Campbell Add Ali_Campbell as a friend

I think itís the highest ratio in the league. I just canít see is spending big in the summer which is worrying.

Other clubs who have experienced losses will be bailed out by their chairman/owners. We have taken out a 30m loan and for every £1 earned, we lose 86p in wages. Unsustainable long term.

Unless we generate our own transfer kitty, it will be 10-15m war chest for the summer. Perhaps itís time to cash in on wilf

 

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View crystal-purley's Profile crystal-purley Flag Purley 15 Apr 21 8.17pm Send a Private Message to crystal-purley Add crystal-purley as a friend

It does explain the lack of repairs in the Arthur though. 93% of revenue does leave some leeway and writing off the cost of transfers over 4 years might pay for most of what is needed. I hope.

 


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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Apr 21 8.32pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Nick Leeson has said we'll be alright soon though.

 


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Have a read of the Tony Gale feature in CPFC website.
It gives you an insight into Crystal Palace the club and the people in it.
We will be OK.

 

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View Ginger Pubic Wig's Profile Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 25 Apr 21 4.53pm Send a Private Message to Ginger Pubic Wig Add Ginger Pubic Wig as a friend

There is talk that FFP will be significantly relaxed as a sop to PSG for not joining the ESL.

If that's true, we can be in a very comfortable position if our American owners show even a modicum of commitment.

We have relatively low debt, low outgoings (starting this summer) and that is a world apart from a vast number of clubs.

There will be good value in the market and our financial position is going to be relatively strong.

 


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View Ali_Campbell's Profile Ali_Campbell Flag New Addington 25 Apr 21 8.20pm Send a Private Message to Ali_Campbell Add Ali_Campbell as a friend

I thought we was in a strong position when we sold AWB for 50m. I also thought we were in a strong position last season when we some how got a return of about 9-10m on sorloth and signed Eze.

We are in more debt now than we have ever been and fans think we will see an improvement in transfer dealings.

 

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 25 Apr 21 9.19pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by palace99

just re-reading the accounts summary again and it says wages were 93% of the £142.3m revenue, although this was for a 13 month year, rather than 12.

So adjusting this for 12 months, it gives wages of £122.2m which is 86% wages to revenue.

This may include all staff rather than just players and coaches but it is still massively high - last year it was quoted as 78% although that % was based on footballing wages only.

Until SP gets this under control we will never be able to compete in the transfer market


Other way around surely? Competing in the transfer market is what has led to such a high wages to revenue ratio. We got to the point three or four years ago where the club felt they had to start matching the wages that good Premier league players were getting elsewhere.

If we are going to do things differently from now then it'll involve not competing in the transfer market, at least not toe to toe with anyone significant.

 

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The last time we were in this much debt we didn't own the ground. Additionally there are quite a few players on high contracts which close out this season. Hopefully we will be investing soon and I have a hunch that both fees and wages will either stagnate or drop a little this season. The only worry is that we have so many players to replace this season and we will need Roy or someone of similar talents to cover the gaps caused by those we lose.

 


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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 26 Apr 21 1.04pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by crystal-purley

The last time we were in this much debt we didn't own the ground. Additionally there are quite a few players on high contracts which close out this season. Hopefully we will be investing soon and I have a hunch that both fees and wages will either stagnate or drop a little this season. The only worry is that we have so many players to replace this season and we will need Roy or someone of similar talents to cover the gaps caused by those we lose.

True, but then those were very different days. We now have the benefit of premier league TV deal money, though it is difficult to know what constitutes a sensible or sustainable level of debt.

What is plain is that even with our relatively limited spending and long stay at the top flight table, we are struggling to break even. That must mean that the business model has reached its limits if nothing else.

What is interesting is that even if Benteke had led the line with courage, skill and 20 goals a season for the last four years, ably supported by 15 goal a season Wickham, ahead of a defence brilliantly marshalled by Sakho, who the pundits all agreed was the best centre half outside the top six, the economic picture wouldn't look any different. Unless those investments led us to Champions League football, we would not have seen a return on them financially.

 

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