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Originally posted by Elphers40

I agree- weíve indulged Wilfís ego far too much imo and played him up front because he wants to improve his goal stats. Cant see Spurs or Everton or even Arsenal making the same concessions to keep him happy AND why should they! There are much better natural goal scorers with better top flight stats for that sort of money.

Heís a brilliant winger (unplayable on the right - at times) and thatís part of our problem really, weíre so desperate to keep him sweet we let him play where HE wants and not where is best for the TEAM.

Just wrong. The reason Wilf plays up front in a Roy 442 is to give him license to roam & not place the burden on him to track back.

in a Roy 442, out of possession, it's 2 banks of 4 and the wingers are expected to double up with the full backs. Whilst attacking, it would be less rigid & often Eze or Ayew would drift inside from the flanks to form a 3 up top, which would essentially allow Wilf to occupy pretty much any space across the front line (including the wing).

Whenever we went 433, it would effectively be a 451 out o possession - he'd play out wide and this would usually result in him having his moments in games (because he's a top player) but playing far too defensively for a player of his quality relative to our team.

I think Palace fans just like hammering people in all honesty. Roy has gone so hammering one of our greatest ever players & top scorer now seems to be the order of the day. It's quite pathetic, really.

We'd be nuts to actively try and push him out the door. And I don't think he'll be overly desperate to join Everton.

Edited by Mstrobez (26 May 2021 3.11pm)

 


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View eaglesdare's Profile eaglesdare Flag 26 May 21 3.09pm Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

ship has sailed for wilf i think! he should have gone two seasons ago! or a least he should have left instead of wan bissaka!


Only arsenal seem to want to buy players of his age! prob get 25 mill for him.

 

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Originally posted by Mstrobez

Just wrong. The reason Wilf plays up front in a Roy 442 is to give him license to roam & not place the burden on him to track back.

in a Roy 442, out of possession, it's 2 banks of 4 and the wingers are expected to double up with the full backs. Whilst attacking, it would be less rigid & often Eze or Ayew would drift inside from the flanks to form a 3 up top, which would essentially allow Wilf to occupy pretty much any space across the front line (including the wing).

Whenever we went 433, it would effectively be a 451 out o possession - he'd play out wide and this would usually result in him having his moments in games (because he's a top player) but playing far too defensively for a player of his quality relative to our team.

I think Palace fans just like hammering people in all honesty. Roy has gone so hammering one of our greatest ever players & top scorer now seems to be the order of the day. It's quite pathetic, really.

We'd be nuts to actively try and push him out the door. And I don't think he'll be overly desperate to join Everton.

Edited by Mstrobez (26 May 2021 3.11pm)

Yeah thatíll be it Mstrobez - I love hammering the most talented player Iíve ever seen in a palace shirt. Nothing to do with a fair or balanced assessment of his overall performance and body language backed up by his open expression of a continued desire for bigger and better things. Nobodyís pushing out - he wants to go!
I think we should give him what he wants and get the best deal we can.

I just happen to hold a different opinion to yours - on this issue anyway.

 

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View sprites's Profile sprites Flag Auckland 26 May 21 11.02pm Send a Private Message to sprites Add sprites as a friend

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

The Way I see it, we've made 10M profit on him already, so unless we get a decent fee so we get a decent chunk of it after ManU have taken their cut, he can stay with us for the remanider of his contract.

For us, now, A sulky Wilf is better than no Wilf at all.

Fwiw, I reckon he's playing with some kind of injury, which hasn't helped. We may see an invigorated, remotivated player under a new man next year.

Disagree entirely.

 

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Originally posted by braunstoneagle

who was our most influential attacking player then? not eze he spent half his season earning his stripes.

Exactly. And even with less game time, Eze got most palace fans twice as excited as Wilf did. He started well, but for the last 2/3 of the season, I'd say Eze, Benteke and even Townsend were more influential.

 

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He should move in but no one here believes a decent side will come in for him at 40 million. That tells its own story. I think we may still have him next season but he isnít irreplaceable and he isnít entitled to play 90 minutes if he is playing badly.

There were a number of games where he should have been subbed but wasnít because he might just have that moment of genius and score. If heís been subbed or, God forbid, benched for a game it might have done him some good.

Next season could be a nightmare if we donít sort the rest of the team out. Worst case scenario for him would be keeping him in the hope he can keep us up.

 

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Originally posted by Elphers40

Yeah thatíll be it Mstrobez - I love hammering the most talented player Iíve ever seen in a palace shirt. Nothing to do with a fair or balanced assessment of his overall performance and body language backed up by his open expression of a continued desire for bigger and better things. Nobodyís pushing out - he wants to go!
I think we should give him what he wants and get the best deal we can.

I just happen to hold a different opinion to yours - on this issue anyway.

Great post.

 

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View CT Charlie's Profile CT Charlie Flag 27 May 21 2.00am Send a Private Message to CT Charlie Add CT Charlie as a friend

The original post asked why another team would want him, based on what we've seen lately.

My opinion is that Happy Wilf is still a force to be reckoned with, by any team in the League. Frustrated Wilf is not very effective. If he can be surrounded by players who'll create space for him, pass the ball where he needs it to be, and finish the opportunities he creates for him, he still has 3-5 more years of top-level play.

I'd love to see a new manager at Palace who can re-shape the offense Ė by finding the right players and by coaching them to create opportunities Ė to reward Wilf's talent. But it's more likely that we'll sell him for what we can get, and start anew.

 

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Originally posted by Mstrobez

Just wrong. The reason Wilf plays up front in a Roy 442 is to give him license to roam & not place the burden on him to track back.

in a Roy 442, out of possession, it's 2 banks of 4 and the wingers are expected to double up with the full backs. Whilst attacking, it would be less rigid & often Eze or Ayew would drift inside from the flanks to form a 3 up top, which would essentially allow Wilf to occupy pretty much any space across the front line (including the wing).

Whenever we went 433, it would effectively be a 451 out o possession - he'd play out wide and this would usually result in him having his moments in games (because he's a top player) but playing far too defensively for a player of his quality relative to our team.

I think Palace fans just like hammering people in all honesty. Roy has gone so hammering one of our greatest ever players & top scorer now seems to be the order of the day. It's quite pathetic, really.

We'd be nuts to actively try and push him out the door. And I don't think he'll be overly desperate to join Everton.

Edited by Mstrobez (26 May 2021 3.11pm)

No one is pushing him out the door. He submitted a transfer request for his own reasons, remember?

 

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Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

No one is pushing him out the door. He submitted a transfer request for his own reasons, remember?

If Wilf wants to go and another club are prepared to take him for the right price then we should let him go. But there are plenty who are calling for him to go regardless.

 


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The Zaha conundrum hasn't really changed, and probably won't: His value to us remains higher than the fee anyone will pay.

It's not madness to entertain the idea of selling Zaha for a sum that will enable us to strengthen the team, or at least prevent it from being weaker, and his desire to leave is a factor, but I do feel there is a slightly childish tone in a good few posts advocating his sale. If you've got to the point that you're checking whether his celebrations when someone else scores are sufficient for your tastes then you've probably gone too far.

The fact is that even at his (alleged) sulkiest and most disinterested, he has been our top scorer and most likely source of points through goals, chances created and defenders occupied. Again.

Even if we all agree (and I don't really) that his performances have declined, that, along with his increasing age and reducing contract length, simply means that the fee we could get reduces too. That leads him back to where he started - his value to us is greater than the fee we would get, even if both have reduced in line with each other.

It remains very, very risky to take the money and lose the player. £40m (if we can even get that post-covid) can disappear like a puff of smoke in this league. West Ham spent nearly that on Haller. Newcastle spent it on Joelinton. Even if you come down a step to around £25m - £30m you are not getting Zaha quality very often. Ayoze Perez, Pablo Fornals and Alex Iwobi for instance are all decent, but cost the bulk of the sum we'd get for Zaha without touching the sides of his influence.

Do not underestimate how hard it would be to replace even a half-steam Zaha, which is the most important part of any prospective deal.

Edited by TheBigToePunt (27 May 2021 11.25am)

 

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Originally posted by Elphers40

Yeah thatíll be it Mstrobez - I love hammering the most talented player Iíve ever seen in a palace shirt. Nothing to do with a fair or balanced assessment of his overall performance and body language backed up by his open expression of a continued desire for bigger and better things. Nobodyís pushing out - he wants to go!
I think we should give him what he wants and get the best deal we can.

I just happen to hold a different opinion to yours - on this issue anyway.



I completely agreee with you. I agreed with your original post. There is nothing wrong with fans criticising our players and managers etc.

Wilf is a brilliant player on his day but has always had an attitude which has held him back. Like you I think his strength is as a winger. yes he has scored goals this season as a striker but he also missed a lot of chances. If he was not one of our own or was called Benteke he would be slated.

Personally I think he will stay as none of top sides want or need him. He is still worth more to us as a side than we will get as a transfer fee unless we can get some good young (possibly untested)players in exchange. I think only Chelsea (from their loan army)or Arsenal (who need to reduce squad) have the ability to do this.

 

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