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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 01 Jun 21 12.44pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Morals are the norms of a society.

Sorry to be pedantic but morals are not the norms of a society. I suspect what you are referring to are more conventions. With those varying widely from nation to nation and even then, differing based on regional differences.

Morality can only come from subscribing to a spiritual belief system that promotes the notion that there are universal rights and wrongs that are superior to any kind of man made conventions.

But I concede I can be boring about this. If people want to be athiest, then best of British to them but it has to acknowledge that atheism means you get to make up your own rules because there is no higher power in your life. You are effectively your own God.

Which is probably its biggest attraction along with being its most dangerous drawback.


Edited by Matov (01 Jun 2021 12.45pm)

 


In 1967, when Polish mercenary Rafal Ganowicz was asked what it felt like to take human life, replied: "I wouldn't know, I've only ever killed communists."

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Originally posted by Matov

Sorry to be pedantic but morals are not the norms of a society. I suspect what you are referring to are more conventions. With those varying widely from nation to nation and even then, differing based on regional differences.

Morality can only come from subscribing to a spiritual belief system that promotes the notion that there are universal rights and wrongs that are superior to any kind of man made conventions.

But I concede I can be boring about this. If people want to be athiest, then best of British to them but it has to acknowledge that atheism means you get to make up your own rules because there is no higher power in your life. You are effectively your own God.

Which is probably its biggest attraction along with being its most dangerous drawback.


Edited by Matov (01 Jun 2021 12.45pm)

Matov, I'm not going to get into a big argument about it but a couple of points.

Morals are basically what I stated they are. They are the accepted standard behaviour of a society. Now, you would have a big point about Christian values being a big part of our morals and laws, but it's kind of a circular argument as societies often had similar morals before Christ was born.

As for Athiests, you have a funny view of them. They are not their own gods, simply they do not believe that God or gods exist or regulate anything. Then it is up to humankind to sort its own issues, not for some kind of higher power to assess or intervene.
If you consider it, atheism may then lead to responsible behaviour, rather than doing what you like and then asking for forgiveness, which is Catholicism's main attraction.
However, it's not a big deal to me, I love religion, I find it incredibly interesting, I just don't believe it personally. I don't have a problem with people who are religious, that's up to them.

 


I used to put the manager's name in front of Red and Blue but got fed up with changing it. If someone cool becomes our manager then maybe..

Red and Blue Army!

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 01 Jun 21 5.53pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

the morality of many old religious books is deeply nasty & vindictive.

 


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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 01 Jun 21 8.51pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

If you consider it, atheism may then lead to responsible behaviour, rather than doing what you like and then asking for forgiveness, which is Catholicism's main attraction.
However, it's not a big deal to me, I love religion, I find it incredibly interesting, I just don't believe it personally. I don't have a problem with people who are religious, that's up to them.

I will light a candle and offer up a prayer for your unsaved soul!

 


In 1967, when Polish mercenary Rafal Ganowicz was asked what it felt like to take human life, replied: "I wouldn't know, I've only ever killed communists."

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 01 Jun 21 8.55pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

some of the nastiest feckers i have ever met were deeply religious.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 03 Jun 21 12.43pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

I am Catholic so tend to care what it thinks, and am willling to argue around that but if you are not Catholic, then fine, just ignore.

But the issue around children being born out of wedlock is one that should concern us all.

The benefits to wider society by having high levels of children born into traditional wedded families is staggering.

Even ignoring all the religious stuff, the evolutionary advantages enjoyed by groups that place a high value on marriage and which contain a group shamming of people who do not abide by that convention is incredible.

You want kids and want them to do well in life? Then get married before you have them. That single factor alone will benefit them, and everybody else by default.

Marriage exists for a reason. Has evolved that way. And should not be taken lightly. Of crucial importance.



I'm sorry, but that is complete codswallop.

Being married is a legal contract, nothing more. If marrying helps couples achieve a sense of commitment they great. It's a personal choice. Obviously the children of the unmarried might experience prejudice from backward narrow minded thinkers or those that have experienced religious indoctrination.

Evolution has nothing to do with it.

Religion has been a vehicle to encourage 'moral behaviour' but it has also been a vehicle for promoting
hatred, fear, guilt, prejudice, ignorance and the irrational belief in god beings.

I'll take atheism all day long. Morality exists outside of religion. It did before religion, and it will do going forward.

 

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Originally posted by Matov

I will light a candle and offer up a prayer for your unsaved soul!

Thanks, I do appreciate it. I will sacrifice a chicken and watch for good portents.

 


I used to put the manager's name in front of Red and Blue but got fed up with changing it. If someone cool becomes our manager then maybe..

Red and Blue Army!

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