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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 10 Jun 21 7.07am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

In my opinion the role of manager is non existent anymore, with a DOF you need a head coach, someone with respect of the players is the most important thing and the continuity of what Parish is trying to build, Duncan Ferguson had a better record at Everton than Ancelotti, and Klinsmann won the word cup in his first job, The man i would make head coach is Scott Dann, he has worked under, Pulis, Warnock, Pardew, Allardyce and Hodgson, he is respected by the players and would continue the club on the same path, i would also bring Glen Murray in as assistant, we already have Shaun Derry and Paddy McCarthy at the club, that in my opinion is a much better plan than bringing someone in who has to earn the respect of the players

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 10 Jun 21 7.19am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

The man i would make head coach is Scott Dann, he has worked under, Pulis, Warnock, Pardew, Allardyce and Hodgson, he is respected by the players

Bobby Charlton must have been one of the most respected players of his day but he was a dismal failure when he tried to move into management / coaching and he's not the only one either.

Most of the top coaches were not top players as they are two different skill sets

 

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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 10 Jun 21 7.52am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Bobby Charlton must have been one of the most respected players of his day but he was a dismal failure when he tried to move into management / coaching and he's not the only one either.

Most of the top coaches were not top players as they are two different skill sets


Yes, i understand what you are saying, but undoing the good work with manager who the players arnt sue about could do a lot of harm, Lampard is the only one could gain instant respect

 

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View aashman12's Profile aashman12 Flag 10 Jun 21 7.57am Send a Private Message to aashman12 Add aashman12 as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

In my opinion the role of manager is non existent anymore, with a DOF you need a head coach, someone with respect of the players is the most important thing and the continuity of what Parish is trying to build, Duncan Ferguson had a better record at Everton than Ancelotti, and Klinsmann won the word cup in his first job, The man i would make head coach is Scott Dann, he has worked under, Pulis, Warnock, Pardew, Allardyce and Hodgson, he is respected by the players and would continue the club on the same path, i would also bring Glen Murray in as assistant, we already have Shaun Derry and Paddy McCarthy at the club, that in my opinion is a much better plan than bringing someone in who has to earn the respect of the players

Klinsmann didn't win the world Cup as manager.

 

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View jeeagles's Profile jeeagles Online Flag 10 Jun 21 8.20am Send a Private Message to jeeagles Add jeeagles as a friend

You still need a manager, but your right that the manager's job has now completely changed for elite sport. It's no longer down to two guys like Clough and Taylor to run the entire first team. By the end Ferguson was apparently very hands of at Man U, leaving the day to day coaching down to a coaching team.

The DoF is their to look after football at all levels of the club. Given the number of sides the club puts out, that's a huge job in itself.

The first team manager is now effectively a project manager looking after a number of coaches, training regimes, physios, tactics, analyst, sports scientist. That's on top of the day to day man management of the players. The DoF should support them setting up scouting because the manager has enough on their plate, but ultimately the manager should be in charge of first team transfers.

I'm not sure how many teams or managers have embraced this concept fully yet. Southgate seems to have done it with the England set up, and so have Leicester. Both copying what other sports have set up over a decade before.


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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 10 Jun 21 9.24am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by aashman12

Klinsmann didn't win the world Cup as manager.

Yes, i do apologize they finished Third

 

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View Tom-the-eagle's Profile Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 10 Jun 21 10.21am Send a Private Message to Tom-the-eagle Add Tom-the-eagle as a friend

Always liked the idea of getting some guys from the stands and making them managers for a season.

Just my opinion, but I think if you are relatively successful then you would likely succeed. As already mentioned, you would surround yourself with the right team anyway.


Would be very interesting to see if any succeeded. Would then make a mockery of managers big wages.

 


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View Mwncisee's Profile Mwncisee Flag Middlesbrough 10 Jun 21 10.39am Send a Private Message to Mwncisee Add Mwncisee as a friend

OK dragging this out of memory, so please feel free to correct me. Wasn't there a non league club (Ebbsfleet?) who had the fans managing the team, i.e the team selection was done on an app by voting or something like that?

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Always liked the idea of getting some guys from the stands and making them managers for a season.

Just my opinion, but I think if you are relatively successful then you would likely succeed. As already mentioned, you would surround yourself with the right team anyway.


Would be very interesting to see if any succeeded. Would then make a mockery of managers big wages.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 10 Jun 21 11.37am Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

We could just pick the team and tactics on the HOL. We could design training regimes and diets etc. We could use Transfer Talk for the signings. I can't see anything that could possibly go wrong.

 


I used to put the manager's name in front of Red and Blue but got fed up with changing it. If someone cool becomes our manager then maybe..

Red and Blue Army!

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 10 Jun 21 11.46am Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

The club will be employing a first-team coach, not a manager. They will call him 'the manager' but that's just a hangover from the old days. Nobody has managers now, not like 20 or 30 years ago.

The idea that a good player can just step into the role is extremely unconvincing. The coach/manager needs to understand tactics, man-management, systems of play, organisation of the training sessions, scouting of opponents, what information to pass to players and what not to, how to rotate to balance between peak fitness and risk of injury....

It isn't something any old player can just have stab at. There is an awful lot to learn, and whilst even the best manager can't make the team significantly better than the sum of its parts for very long, a bad one can very quickly make it less than its sum. It's a vital appointment requiring a lot of ability.

 

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View Mwncisee's Profile Mwncisee Flag Middlesbrough 10 Jun 21 12.31pm Send a Private Message to Mwncisee Add Mwncisee as a friend

Answering my own question. It was Ebbsfleet and kinda interesting read to what happened:

[Link]

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 10 Jun 21 1.47pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Mwncisee

Answering my own question. It was Ebbsfleet and kinda interesting read to what happened:

[Link]

I invested about 10 quid in that 5 pound football club. Monmouth Town I think. I quickly lost interest too. There was little for me to do except vote on bias votes, where one decision was obviously wanted, or buy merchandise. I was going to buy a mug, but never did. Don't know what happened since.

 


I used to put the manager's name in front of Red and Blue but got fed up with changing it. If someone cool becomes our manager then maybe..

Red and Blue Army!

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