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glaziermart Flag 13 Jun 21 10.54pm

To have 13 players out of contract is an absolute disgrace and has made us much less attractive to prospective new managers, the rebuild of the squad is ridiculous. But of course it has nothing to do with darling Stevie P, it must be Dougie's fault or Roy. The Parish sycophants that treat him as this amazing messiah, so that when any of us not in that camp criticise him, we get the tedious 'best chairman ever' 9 years in the premier and counting' unprecedented etc etc. But a lot of that is despite him. He is like a cat with nine lives, having the likes of Pulis, Allardyce and Hodgson available at perfect moments to replace appalling managerial appointments, which would otherwise have seen us relegated years ago. He is certainly not our best chairman ever. Arthur Wait oversaw the meteoric rise from the Fourth division to the top flight in the 60's which was greatly helped by the astute appointments of Graham, Rowe and Head, and certainly was nothing of the scattergun approach of Parish. By the way, there were three other important figures that were involved in saving our beloved club 11 years ago - Martin Long, Steve Browett and Jeremy Hosking without them the takeover deal would never have happened. But these are quiet guys who don't want the limelight which is why Parish was happy to become the vocal main man. But the chickens have now come home to roost!!! The mismanagement of this squad with so many players out of contract, and the managerial situation in limbo, means there is a strong possiblity of relegation next year. But of course it won't be Stevie P's fault! well not according to his adoring masses!!

 

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Originally posted by glaziermart

To have 13 players out of contract is an absolute disgrace and has made us much less attractive to prospective new managers, the rebuild of the squad is ridiculous. But of course it has nothing to do with darling Stevie P, it must be Dougie's fault or Roy. The Parish sycophants that treat him as this amazing messiah, so that when any of us not in that camp criticise him, we get the tedious 'best chairman ever' 9 years in the premier and counting' unprecedented etc etc. But a lot of that is despite him. He is like a cat with nine lives, having the likes of Pulis, Allardyce and Hodgson available at perfect moments to replace appalling managerial appointments, which would otherwise have seen us relegated years ago. He is certainly not our best chairman ever. Arthur Wait oversaw the meteoric rise from the Fourth division to the top flight in the 60's which was greatly helped by the astute appointments of Graham, Rowe and Head, and certainly was nothing of the scattergun approach of Parish. By the way, there were three other important figures that were involved in saving our beloved club 11 years ago - Martin Long, Steve Browett and Jeremy Hosking without them the takeover deal would never have happened. But these are quiet guys who don't want the limelight which is why Parish was happy to become the vocal main man. But the chickens have now come home to roost!!! The mismanagement of this squad with so many players out of contract, and the managerial situation in limbo, means there is a strong possiblity of relegation next year. But of course it won't be Stevie P's fault! well not according to his adoring masses!!

I get your point but paragraphs would make it easier to read.

 

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 14 Jun 21 4.26am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

The elephant in the room

 


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View sprites's Profile sprites Flag Auckland 14 Jun 21 4.42am Send a Private Message to sprites Add sprites as a friend

Good lord.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 14 Jun 21 5.45am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

The role of a chairman is forward planning and on the footballing side he doesn't seem to have done too well.

The planning for manager succession has been poor and sometimes I think that our many years in the top flight has been more down to luck than judgement with good managers just happening to be available when we need them and other years when we have failed to have adequate cover within the squad, not suffering injuries

 

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View Mr Palaceman's Profile Mr Palaceman Flag 14 Jun 21 7.52am Send a Private Message to Mr Palaceman Add Mr Palaceman as a friend

Originally posted by glaziermart

To have 13 players out of contract is an absolute disgrace and has made us much less attractive to prospective new managers, the rebuild of the squad is ridiculous. But of course it has nothing to do with darling Stevie P, it must be Dougie's fault or Roy. The Parish sycophants that treat him as this amazing messiah, so that when any of us not in that camp criticise him, we get the tedious 'best chairman ever' 9 years in the premier and counting' unprecedented etc etc. But a lot of that is despite him. He is like a cat with nine lives, having the likes of Pulis, Allardyce and Hodgson available at perfect moments to replace appalling managerial appointments, which would otherwise have seen us relegated years ago. He is certainly not our best chairman ever. Arthur Wait oversaw the meteoric rise from the Fourth division to the top flight in the 60's which was greatly helped by the astute appointments of Graham, Rowe and Head, and certainly was nothing of the scattergun approach of Parish. By the way, there were three other important figures that were involved in saving our beloved club 11 years ago - Martin Long, Steve Browett and Jeremy Hosking without them the takeover deal would never have happened. But these are quiet guys who don't want the limelight which is why Parish was happy to become the vocal main man. But the chickens have now come home to roost!!! The mismanagement of this squad with so many players out of contract, and the managerial situation in limbo, means there is a strong possiblity of relegation next year. But of course it won't be Stevie P's fault! well not according to his adoring masses!!

Just to clarify, are you suggesting that the club would be in a much better position without Steve Parish and that if we could, we should get rid of him?

In the Premership Era, which or our previous chairmen would you prefer?

 


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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 14 Jun 21 8.08am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

On the whole Parish has done an excellent job for Palace if you take into account where we were when he joined and where we are now.
Of course the role of Browett, Long and Hoskings shouldn’t be underestimated, but Parish has taken on the day to day running of the club and it’s gone well.
Nonetheless, it can’t be ignored that we appear to veering off course at the moment.
The managerial appointment has to be someone who can work with Freedman (and accepts the DOF model) and probably be acceptable to the Yanks for their sign off the appointment.
Parish has previously mentioned they have to sanction key decisions or significant expenditure which is not surprising when they own the majority of the club.
This means some sort of consensus has to be achieved involving Freedman and the Yanks.
I don’t believe Parish can operate as a dictator in this scenario with sole responsibility for the appointment.
If it’s management by committee it’s no surprise that there are delays in the decision making process.
Our executive structure doesn’t appear to lend itself for swift decision making on key matters.There have already been rumours of Freedman favouring Ismael, but that not having universal support.
Only rumours, but wouldn’t be entirely surprising .

 

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deleted 25 Flag 14 Jun 21 8.26am

Parish has done a great job, but choosing managers has always been the Achilles heel.

Being critical at this stage is unhelpful to that process, frustrating though it may be

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 14 Jun 21 8.50am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

To have 13 players out of contract is unusual but it doesn't necessarily mean that they are all leaving and need to be replaced. Benteke for example, has signed a new contract and I expect others such as Ward and Townsend to get offered new deals. I'm not making a case for this as being a good situation but maybe not quite as bad as it looks.

Where it currently falls down somewhat is the lack of a new manager to be part of the decision making process. That situation has become something of a media circus in the absence of any official word from Parish. My guess is that whoever is now truly in the frame for the job is subject to compensation being payable and negotiations are taking place. Otherwise the likes of Lampard / Howe could have been appointed by now.

Overall I would say that Parish has done a very good job. To compare his achievements with that of Arthur Waite is just not relevant. Football has changed beyond all recognition over the last 50 odd years. Running a Premier League Club in 2021 is far more complex than a lower division club in the 1960's.

Parish has made mistakes down the years but he's got more right than he has wrong. A bit like Hodgson, he is held in high esteem by my friends that support other clubs.

To have come from the brink of extinction to looking at our 9th consecutive season as a Premier League club under his Chairmanship cannot be underestimated.

Someone should make a documentary about it.

Edited by NEILLO (14 Jun 2021 9.06am)

 


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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag 14 Jun 21 8.51am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

For a club our size to have been in the PL for nine season straight cannot all be down to luck. Parish himself has admitted he has made mistakes, but he has clearly made good decisions too. What I like is the fact we have a real lifelong fan at the helm, which is not true for 90% of PL clubs. He is someone who understands the area and the fans and seems to genuinely want to improve not just the fortunes of the club but also the community.

Of course the lack of spending has been a point of concern, but you look at the managerial appointments and since Pulis the only real failure has been FdB and Parish was very quick to successfully correct that. In terms of the current contract situation with the players it is hard to make a judgement without knowing why Steve let it get to this point. Was it to provide a new manager with a clean slate to work from (which is very rare in today's game), was it financial, or was it a mistake? You can't criticise him until we know what his plan is and how it will affect us.

Developing a successful youth production line seems like the best way forward for a club our side and both our U18 and U23 had success this season with plenty of exciting young players potentially knocking on the first-team door within the next few seasons.

The ground remains a bugbear and I'll be honest and say I don't really know how much that is down to Steve and his team.

Having listened to him talk across a number of long interviews I have no doubt in my mind we have the right man at the helm, even if at times he will have me pulling my hair out. I certainly find it preferable to having some Arab prince or Russian oligarch using blood money to finance a spending spree.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Jun 21 8.56am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

To have 13 players out of contract is unusual but it doesn't necessarily mean that they are all leaving and need to be replaced. Benteke for example, has signed a new contract and I expect others such as Ward and Townsend to get offered new deals. I'm not making a case for this as being a good situation but maybe not quite as bad as it looks.

Where it currently falls down somewhat is the lack of a new manager to be part of the decision making process. That situation has become something of a media circus in the absence of any official word from Parish. My guess is that whoever is now truly in the frame for the job is subject to compensation being payable and negotiations are taking place. Otherwise the likes of Lampard / Howe could have been appointed by now.

Overall I would say that Parish has done a very good job. To compare his achievements with that of Arthur Waite is just not relevant. Football has changed beyond all recognition over the last 50 odd years. Running a Premier League Club in 2021 is far more complex than a lower division club in the 1960's.

Parish has made mistakes down the years but he's got more right than he has wrong. A bit like Hodgson, he is held in high esteem by my friends that support other clubs.

To have come from the brink of extinction to looking at our 9th consecutive season as a Premier League under his Chairmanship cannot be underestimated.

Someone should make a documentary about it.

A marvellous achievement and Steve Parish is worthy of fulsome praise for his efforts.
Not only is Steve the very portrait of suave aplomb,he is a bastion of good sense and possesses intellectual acuity.Most certainly an estimable chap.

 

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I thought your OP was a bit harsh glaziermart.

Folk on here are neither sycophantic towards Mr Parish nor adorers. In the main supporters recognise that without him Crystal Palace FC probably wouldn't exist today.

He led a small consortium, just three of his mates, all boyhood supporters of our club themselves, to throw a heap of their money into the pot in 2010 to save us from disappearing off the map.

We appreciate him being passionate about his role as chairman and, because he still has a financial stake in the club's running, we have to believe he'll do what he believes to be right to protect CPFC and his investment in it. Maybe he won't get things right all the time, none of us do. But I've never heard him shy away from taking responsibility. He quickly put an end to FdB's time here when he could see it wasn't working.

Anyway, from my personal point of view, I am proud to support a football club that has a boyhood fan at it's head. He does his best and we put our trust in him to find the right way to progress in all aspects of the club's business. Including the search for a new manager.

One thing's for sure, I'd have Mr Parish any day over a foreign billionaire, an overseas consortium or a Private Equity firm with no interest other than to increase their wealth and then move on.

 


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