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View Mr Palaceman's Profile Mr Palaceman Flag 15 Jul 21 4.19pm Send a Private Message to Mr Palaceman Add Mr Palaceman as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

I think you'll find it's yes Wards! He got a new deal

Very good..

 


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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 15 Jul 21 4.24pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

I wouldn't have thought Cahill, Ward and Clyne out-performed Townsend last year, or offered noticeable better value to wages.

Here's a thought...

I remember years ago Peterborough (under the ownership and guidance of Barry Fry) believed that they always needed to employ attack-minded managers who played open, skilful football. This was not because it was the most likely way of achieving promotion (any style of play can be effective), but because the club needed to sell the players it produced, and Fry reasoned that a promising young attacker would always fetch a far higher price than a promising young defender. If he employed a defensive-minded manager then his attacking players would not shine as much, and the business plan would not work.

Now, obviously promising young defenders can go for big money too (see AWB), but I think there's still some logic to Fry's theory.

I wonder if perhaps -in part at least- Cahill, Ward and Clyne are being offered new terms but not Townsend because the potential value of an exciting young attacker is greater than that of a young defender. If Olise, Rak-Sakyi or Omilabu prove to be good top flight players very quickly, they are far more likely to be worth a fortune than a young defender would be.

It might be as simple as Townsend having the misfortune to play in a position where we would benefit most from developing a young player, financially speaking.

Personally, I'd still keep him. If he was available on a free transfer from another club we'd all say he was a sensible signing. However, perhaps Parish and Freedman want to remove as many obstacles as they can from the paths of Olise, Rak-Sakyi etc so as to maximise the chances of increasing the squad value to its greatest extent.

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View Omph's Profile Omph Flag Liverpool 15 Jul 21 4.44pm Send a Private Message to Omph Add Omph as a friend

Fascinating insight

You could be onto something here in that we have players to develop there and - dare I say it - buy.

I wonder if it's a bit simpler than that and Andros fancied a move away more than the other two. They got the offers partly because they were sold on Palace as their immediate home.

He's still notionally in his prime and can become a main man at somewhere like Norwich say and get more or less guaranteed first teems footie. It's been a while since he's been a real regular on the teamsheet with us.

Greener pastures? He has after all moved about a fair amount whereas the other two have barely had a transfer between them.

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

I wouldn't have thought Cahill, Ward and Clyne out-performed Townsend last year, or offered noticeable better value to wages.

Here's a thought...

I remember years ago Peterborough (under the ownership and guidance of Barry Fry) believed that they always needed to employ attack-minded managers who played open, skilful football. This was not because it was the most likely way of achieving promotion (any style of play can be effective), but because the club needed to sell the players it produced, and Fry reasoned that a promising young attacker would always fetch a far higher price than a promising young defender. If he employed a defensive-minded manager then his attacking players would not shine as much, and the business plan would not work.

Now, obviously promising young defenders can go for big money too (see AWB), but I think there's still some logic to Fry's theory.

I wonder if perhaps -in part at least- Cahill, Ward and Clyne are being offered new terms but not Townsend because the potential value of an exciting young attacker is greater than that of a young defender. If Olise, Rak-Sakyi or Omilabu prove to be good top flight players very quickly, they are far more likely to be worth a fortune than a young defender would be.

It might be as simple as Townsend having the misfortune to play in a position where we would benefit most from developing a young player, financially speaking.

Personally, I'd still keep him. If he was available on a free transfer from another club we'd all say he was a sensible signing. However, perhaps Parish and Freedman want to remove as many obstacles as they can from the paths of Olise, Rak-Sakyi etc so as to maximise the chances of increasing the squad value to its greatest extent.

Edited by TheBigToePunt (15 Jul 2021 4.31pm)

 

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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

I wouldn't have thought Cahill, Ward and Clyne out-performed Townsend last year, or offered noticeable better value to wages.

Here's a thought...

I remember years ago Peterborough (under the ownership and guidance of Barry Fry) believed that they always needed to employ attack-minded managers who played open, skilful football. This was not because it was the most likely way of achieving promotion (any style of play can be effective), but because the club needed to sell the players it produced, and Fry reasoned that a promising young attacker would always fetch a far higher price than a promising young defender. If he employed a defensive-minded manager then his attacking players would not shine as much, and the business plan would not work.

Now, obviously promising young defenders can go for big money too (see AWB), but I think there's still some logic to Fry's theory.

I wonder if perhaps -in part at least- Cahill, Ward and Clyne are being offered new terms but not Townsend because the potential value of an exciting young attacker is greater than that of a young defender. If Olise, Rak-Sakyi or Omilabu prove to be good top flight players very quickly, they are far more likely to be worth a fortune than a young defender would be.

It might be as simple as Townsend having the misfortune to play in a position where we would benefit most from developing a young player, financially speaking.

Personally, I'd still keep him. If he was available on a free transfer from another club we'd all say he was a sensible signing. However, perhaps Parish and Freedman want to remove as many obstacles as they can from the paths of Olise, Rak-Sakyi etc so as to maximise the chances of increasing the squad value to its greatest extent.

Edited by TheBigToePunt (15 Jul 2021 4.31pm)

I think the simpler answer is probably that Andros is a vocal Spurs fan and Vieira is having none of that.

 

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Originally posted by Omph

Fascinating insight

You could be onto something here in that we have players to develop there and - dare I say it - buy.

I wonder if it's a bit simpler than that and Andros fancied a move away more than the other two. They got the offers partly because they were sold on Palace as their immediate home.

He's still notionally in his prime and can become a main man at somewhere like Norwich say and get more or less guaranteed first teems footie. It's been a while since he's been a real regular on the teamsheet with us.

Greener pastures? He has after all moved about a fair amount whereas the other two have barely had a transfer between them.

All possible of course, but Townsends tone whenever he is asked about his future on Talksport very much suggests a man who wants to remain at Palace and is waiting in the hope of a contract offer.

 

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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 15 Jul 21 5.35pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

All possible of course, but Townsends tone whenever he is asked about his future on Talksport very much suggests a man who wants to remain at Palace and is waiting in the hope of a contract offer.


Agree he seemed to be hoping to stay. IMHO, he has had an offer, maybe, to far below what he was on, or maybe the length of contact was not attractive, or both.
At his age ,going as a free agent, he may well attract a bigger, longer offer else where, others might well be drawn by the absence of a fee.
My feeling is he could have done a job in our squad, but not at £80,000 PW. Which itís rumoured he was on,. Palace , would probably like to free up at least a decent percentage of that weekly outlay, and as the market seems to be developing after COVID, it could pay off.

 

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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

All possible of course, but Townsends tone whenever he is asked about his future on Talksport very much suggests a man who wants to remain at Palace and is waiting in the hope of a contract offer.

My understanding was that he had been offered a contract on reduced terms and has decided to seek a better offer elsewhere. I don't know if the offer has an expiry date though so I guess we'll see if he goes somewhere else.

 

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I think Andros is doing the right thing by himself and seeing what offers he can attract. At this stage in his career it's a big decision.

I'm not ITK but I think Palace may well have made him an offer and now it's a question of how that stacks up.

I think he's worth keeping and I'd like to see him strike a deal for another 2 years.

 


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View kevlee's Profile kevlee Flag born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 15 Jul 21 9.46pm Send a Private Message to kevlee Add kevlee as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout


Agree he seemed to be hoping to stay. IMHO, he has had an offer, maybe, to far below what he was on, or maybe the length of contact was not attractive, or both.
At his age ,going as a free agent, he may well attract a bigger, longer offer else where, others might well be drawn by the absence of a fee.
My feeling is he could have done a job in our squad, but not at £80,000 PW. Which itís rumoured he was on,. Palace , would probably like to free up at least a decent percentage of that weekly outlay, and as the market seems to be developing after COVID, it could pay off.


He was on £55k p/w according to
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

I wouldn't have thought Cahill, Ward and Clyne out-performed Townsend last year, or offered noticeable better value to wages.

Here's a thought...

I remember years ago Peterborough (under the ownership and guidance of Barry Fry) believed that they always needed to employ attack-minded managers who played open, skilful football. This was not because it was the most likely way of achieving promotion (any style of play can be effective), but because the club needed to sell the players it produced, and Fry reasoned that a promising young attacker would always fetch a far higher price than a promising young defender. If he employed a defensive-minded manager then his attacking players would not shine as much, and the business plan would not work.

Now, obviously promising young defenders can go for big money too (see AWB), but I think there's still some logic to Fry's theory.

I wonder if perhaps -in part at least- Cahill, Ward and Clyne are being offered new terms but not Townsend because the potential value of an exciting young attacker is greater than that of a young defender. If Olise, Rak-Sakyi or Omilabu prove to be good top flight players very quickly, they are far more likely to be worth a fortune than a young defender would be.

It might be as simple as Townsend having the misfortune to play in a position where we would benefit most from developing a young player, financially speaking.

Personally, I'd still keep him. If he was available on a free transfer from another club we'd all say he was a sensible signing. However, perhaps Parish and Freedman want to remove as many obstacles as they can from the paths of Olise, Rak-Sakyi etc so as to maximise the chances of increasing the squad value to its greatest extent.

Edited by TheBigToePunt (15 Jul 2021 4.31pm)

This is a really sensible post. I can see why Barry Fry took this approach however I agree with you that with Palace it is more the fact we want to create a pathway for our youth. We do have some exciting talent coming through our Academy.

 


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Thought this was to do with a contract extension but appears to be that Palace didnít wish Andros a happy birthday on their Twitter account until late in the day.

Edited by Bubbs (17 Jul 2021 5.47am)

 


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I hear that Clyne has signed a new contract, not announced yet, however he is playing in the Walsall friendly.

 


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