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View Qwijibo's Profile Qwijibo Flag Bournemouth 02 Sep 21 8.06pm Send a Private Message to Qwijibo Add Qwijibo as a friend

After that first half against West Ham, I think there were a lot of people questioning whether we had another FdB situation. Whilst harsh, it's likely to be the go-to analogy for any manager struggling to immediately implement his ideas.

It's always struck me that losing 4 games isn't that bad. Being the first 4 of the season really magnifies it, but it's not as if Hodgson, Pardew, Holloway and others haven't had worse runs mid-season. My vague recollection is we were quite good against Burnley, but lost because of Lee Chung-Yong's shocking back pass and an inability to score.

So presumably there was more to it than merely poor form.

We're now four years on. What happened? And just how unimpressed were the players and directors with what they saw from him?

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 02 Sep 21 11.25pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

That season 14 pts from last 6 games, them was the days

 


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View viveasheagle's Profile viveasheagle Flag perth 03 Sep 21 5.51am Send a Private Message to viveasheagle Add viveasheagle as a friend

Yes we did play well against Burnley but lost 3-0 at home to Huddersfield and 2-0 at home to Swansea before then. De Boer was also sacked early in his roles for Inter Milan and his national team.
Difficult to know the reason's but i suspect player power might have something to do with his sacking at the time but in hindsight it was the right decision and Roy was able to keep us.
The difference this time is that with so many out of contract players at the end of the season the management team have been able to bring in a lot of new players who can help the squad adjust to a new playing style quickly.

 

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View topcat's Profile topcat Flag Holmesdale / Surbiton 03 Sep 21 8.16am Send a Private Message to topcat Add topcat as a friend

After Pardew was sacked, Fat Sam came in and blew the budget in order to keep us in the Premier League. It worked but it meant that we had nothing left in the kitty after Allardyce buggered off.

We then had the wrong type of players for the de Boer style to work. Football under Hodgson was similar to BFS football so he was able to work wonders on very little money and an aging squad.

Either through luck or foresight, a lot of players were coming to the end of their Palace career so Vieira has been able to bring in players that suit his style of play. It remains to be seen if they can integrate with the ones left from the last regime but the 2nd half at West Ham was certainly prommising.

There are few similarities between FDB and Vieira other than they are changing the style of football after a more pragmatic predecessor.

 


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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 03 Sep 21 9.07am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

That clip of FdB doing press ups made me chuckle

 

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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 03 Sep 21 9.17am Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Always thought Fdb was not given enough time. Showed a lack of commitment/conviction from SP. Pre-season and 4 games was never going to be enough for what he was attempting.
Thought the Performances showed Promise - especially the last game (can't remember which one that was!).

Saying that, a lot of talk about evolution not revolution but he seemed to go with revolution anyway.

Always felt that the board were unhappy with their decision and used the 4 losses as the perfect excuse to correct their mistake.

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 03 Sep 21 9.40am Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Obviously, I don't know FdB but the impression I've gained is that he's his own worst enemy. He seems to insist on doing things his way even when he doesn't have the tools,

It was noticeable in the Euros that he deliberately adopted his own system at the expense of the one traditionally associated with the national team.

I don't think FdB can do evolution, only revolution. That kind of attitude tends to lose the dressing room pretty quickly not to mention the fans.

Although Vieira is bringing revolution rather than evolution, it is very much with the blessing of SP (and presumably the rest of the board). It is clear from the way we got much of our business done early this window that Parish and Freedman had been tracking players who can play a more possession-based style of football. The running down of so many contracts at once was probably deliberate as it has enabled the club to bring in a sufficient number the right type of players to make it possible to adopt the new style from Day 1.

 

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View Goal Machine's Profile Goal Machine Flag The Cronx 03 Sep 21 9.56am Send a Private Message to Goal Machine Add Goal Machine as a friend

From an outsider looking in, FDB was trying to implement a style of football for which we simply didn't have the players for. He appeared too stubborn/not able to play any other way.

If he has his vision of playing Ajax champagne football, this is something which should have been gradually bought in over time. We should have stuck to what we're good (i.e. defend/counter attack) until we're safe and then slowly bring in the right players, 2/3 every transfer window and treat the the last 6 games of the season with pre-season as the transition period.

Too much too quickly, too stupid/arrogant. His record since leaving Palace has been dreadful which suggests we swerved a bullet.

PV has been fortunate that we're able to throw money at new signings. I think it's a fantastic opportunity for him.

 

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View Foxy0208's Profile Foxy0208 Flag Blackpool 03 Sep 21 10.00am Send a Private Message to Foxy0208 Add Foxy0208 as a friend

I think FDB was sacked over more than just the poor start.

There were lots of rumblings at the time about fallouts with senior players.

A big part of managing a team is about how you build a relationship with your squad and get your ideas across to them and reputation alone won't do it and above all else you need your senior players to be on board.

PV seems to be much better at this and the training ground clips seem to show a much happier ship.

To be totally fair to FDB he probably didn't get the backing in terms of bringing in players to implement his new style but I don't think he managed the players he had particularly well.

Its going to take time but the basic stuff seems to be in place so as long as everyone is patient and doesn't panic after every defeat, I think we have every reason to feel positive about the future.

 


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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 03 Sep 21 10.21am Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

The one thing that stands out from the Frank de Boer, moment, is if the transfer policy of the next four years was to go by, he was expected to change our playing style with the players he had with very few additions. Thatís what Hodgson , worked with, why would it have been any different for De Boer,? Frank, may well have not been the best choice anyway , but that was going to be a tall order whoever tried to do it. As it was under Hodgson,the playing style stagnated to some degree because of a lack of investment in players suitable for improving our style.and remain in the league.

 

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View Painter's Profile Painter Online Flag Croydon 03 Sep 21 11.34am Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Letís just be honest, de Boer isnít a very good as a manager and has very poor people skills. Itís as simple as that, as time has shown since he was sacked by Palace.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 03 Sep 21 11.37am Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

I just canít bring myself to care about him anymore. I think trying to teach Delaney a scissor kick volley into the top corner nearly got him a punch in the head. He has that type of face, doesn't he?

 


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