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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 09 Sep 21 8.13am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Thought we played ok for 70 mins, but as soon as we score a goal we just don't have any interest in playing - the Euros showed how vulnerable a 1-0 lead is and seems like we've learnt nothing from it.

No subs is almost unbelievable given the quality of the squad.

 

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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 09 Sep 21 9.42am Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

We looked solid. we kept, and passed the ball well.
That's about the only positives I can take from that game.

Every time we broke and got the their penalty area, we turned round and allowed them to regroup.
Most of the time it looked like a keep the ball training excercise - No intent to get in the box or to make genuine chances.
Of our attacking 'trio' of Mount, Grealish and Sterling, only Sterling had any inclination of driving forward - and he didn't have the best of games. But for the most time it was 'get to the byline, stop, turn round let them regroup'. Frustrating.
Perhaps this is because no one gets into the box to support Kane(who rarely gets in the box in open play himself), they are all focused on playing neat 1-2's around the penalty area. Frustrating.

Grealish infuriates me. No doubting his ability, or what he offers, but his style invites constant fouls which all it does is slow the play down as the oppo as time to regroup for the free kick. And he needs to learn to play to the whistle. He went down very easy on quite a few occasions, then moaning the lack of free kick to the ref. Most of the time the ref got it right. Not seen it before really From him, so I'll give him the benefit of The doubt for now. Did Poland find the right Balance of physicality to neutralise him?

No substitutions is an absolute joke. Poland brought on their full quota, you knew that if we didn't do the same regardless of the quality of the players brought on, they would have an advantage, and it proved the case.
For all our hype of strength in depth, if you don't use it it's meaningless. Frustrating.

You've got to be impressed with GS for the squad that he has built and the environment he has created - they look like they are a tight knit unit, who play well together - no mean feat in an international unit. But his tactics, and refusal to change are becoming an Achilles Heel. It's the reason we lost last night, and ultimately why we lost the euro Final. Frustrating!

Rant End.

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 09 Sep 21 9.51am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

We looked solid. we kept, and passed the ball well.
That's about the only positives I can take from that game.

Every time we broke and got the their penalty area, we turned round and allowed them to regroup.
Most of the time it looked like a keep the ball training excercise - No intent to get in the box or to make genuine chances.
Of our attacking 'trio' of Mount, Grealish and Sterling, only Sterling had any inclination of driving forward - and he didn't have the best of games. But for the most time it was 'get to the byline, stop, turn round let them regroup'. Frustrating.
Perhaps this is because no one gets into the box to support Kane(who rarely gets in the box in open play himself), they are all focused on playing neat 1-2's around the penalty area. Frustrating.

Grealish infuriates me. No doubting his ability, or what he offers, but his style invites constant fouls which all it does is slow the play down as the oppo as time to regroup for the free kick. And he needs to learn to play to the whistle. He went down very easy on quite a few occasions, then moaning the lack of free kick to the ref. Most of the time the ref got it right. Not seen it before really From him, so I'll give him the benefit of The doubt for now. Did Poland find the right Balance of physicality to neutralise him?

No substitutions is an absolute joke. Poland brought on their full quota, you knew that if we didn't do the same regardless of the quality of the players brought on, they would have an advantage, and it proved the case.
For all our hype of strength in depth, if you don't use it it's meaningless. Frustrating.

You've got to be impressed with GS for the squad that he has built and the environment he has created - they look like they are a tight knit unit, who play well together - no mean feat in an international unit. But his tactics, and refusal to change are becoming an Achilles Heel. It's the reason we lost last night, and ultimately why we lost the euro Final. Frustrating!

Rant End.

Really agree with the bit on bold - he's built a fantastic culture, but inflexibility is costing us.

I actually thought some of Mount and Grealish's interchanges last night were quite exciting - the overload on the left of those two and Shaw is a proper threat. It also meant Sterling had a lot more space off the right to run at his man one-on-one and I thought he should've done more with some of those opportunities. Someone like Sancho would've punished the full back given that much space to run at him.

I thought Kane was far and away our worst player until the goal - feels like he's really overcomplicated his game of late. Spurs lack top forward players (other than Kane/Son) so it makes sense for Kane to get more involved in build-up, but it feels unnecessary with the national team.

Thought Rice was excellent.

 

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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 09 Sep 21 10.12am Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Really agree with the bit on bold - he's built a fantastic culture, but inflexibility is costing us.

I actually thought some of Mount and Grealish's interchanges last night were quite exciting - the overload on the left of those two and Shaw is a proper threat. It also meant Sterling had a lot more space off the right to run at his man one-on-one and I thought he should've done more with some of those opportunities. Someone like Sancho would've punished the full back given that much space to run at him.

I thought Kane was far and away our worst player until the goal - feels like he's really overcomplicated his game of late. Spurs lack top forward players (other than Kane/Son) so it makes sense for Kane to get more involved in build-up, but it feels unnecessary with the national team.

Thought Rice was excellent.

We all passed the ball well, Mount and Grealish included, but it rarely converted into chances.
Agree Kane offered little, and was generally poor, but he did pop up with a goal, which is his job. What's our other option? DCL? we have other strikers not seemingly getting a chance - notably Greenwood and Ings, would be good to see them given a go.

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 09 Sep 21 10.34am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

We all passed the ball well, Mount and Grealish included, but it rarely converted into chances.
Agree Kane offered little, and was generally poor, but he did pop up with a goal, which is his job. What's our other option? DCL? we have other strikers not seemingly getting a chance - notably Greenwood and Ings, would be good to see them given a go.

Not for a minute suggesting Kane gets dropped - no one else close to his bracket as a #9 currently. I actually like Abraham best of all the back-up options for now.

 

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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 09 Sep 21 12.05pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

We are in a great position but Southgate has a few dangerous blind spots.
To keep the same 11 players on when subs would have disrupted Poland if nothing else is a bit ignorant and shows him as being tactically inept at times.
Worrying even if we are doing fine right now.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 09 Sep 21 12.34pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Away draw feels like a loss, and felt like a win for Poland. Fair play to England to genuinely look like giants on the world stage. There was a time when away in Poland may have been a bridge too far.

However,I echo the sentiments of basically everyone else. Southgate not good enough. His mistake cost the final. His mistake cost the win here. Poor tactics, very poor substitutions (or lack of) x2.

I also suspect no questions will be asked.

 


I used to put the manager's name in front of Red and Blue but got fed up with changing it. If someone cool becomes our manager then maybe..

Red and Blue Army!

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 09 Sep 21 7.33pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Goal Machine

Same old Southgate, no plan B. He doesn’t know how to change the game. Hope to be proved wrong but England will never win a major tournament under Southgate in the same way Man Utd won’t under Solskjaer.

Players are 10/10, GS is a 6/10. Wonder strike from Kane should have been enough against a fairly average team. Zero substitutes is astonishing. Poland had more energy at the end.

1-1 is what I predicted which is an ok result in the context of the group, but once again the manner was disappointing. We’ll get to the semi’s in Qatar and he’ll be lauded as a hero again.

Yes I think slowly people will realise this. Too slowly possibly.

 


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View Frickin Saweet's Profile Frickin Saweet Flag South Cronx 10 Sep 21 11.01am Send a Private Message to Frickin Saweet Add Frickin Saweet as a friend

i have been supportive of Southgate however after his comments justifying his thinking on substitutes, I don't think that he will ever be a manager that can make a positive substitutional change in a major game. And this is often how big games are changed and/or won.

Unless he changes that belief, we will watch more winnable games slide away from England. Shame as he has some great attributes as a manager but ultimately game management wins you tournaments.

Edited by Frickin Saweet (10 Sep 2021 11.06am)

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 10 Sep 21 11.40am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

i have been supportive of Southgate however after his comments justifying his thinking on substitutes, I don't think that he will ever be a manager that can make a positive substitutional change in a major game. And this is often how big games are changed and/or won.

Unless he changes that belief, we will watch more winnable games slide away from England. Shame as he has some great attributes as a manager but ultimately game management wins you tournaments.

Edited by Frickin Saweet (10 Sep 2021 11.06am)

Hard to disagree - our squad depth is one of our biggest weapons so it's madness not to flex it.

 

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