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View Goal Machine's Profile Goal Machine Flag The Cronx 14 Sep 21 11.44pm Send a Private Message to Goal Machine Add Goal Machine as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

Blaming the players is always a sign of a bad manager.

Cabaye, Zaha, Townsend, RLC, AWB, none of them good enough. Not to mention the poor guys time at England, we just don't have the same resources as Iceland.

As you ignored previously, when offered resources, he chose Bats over Gallagher.

If you miss him, don't worry, some badly run club will be stupid enough to employ the national embarrassment again, and we can all laugh at his next failure

When we had the likes of these players in the team, we played some sensational football under Roy. It cant be denied that the results we ground out with our less than average and ageing squad under RH has been fantastic over the past 2 years. It was utter turgid and miserable to watch, but effective. If we had been expansive Im certain wed have been relegated, but as it were, we were never even close.

Vieira has just been given a 90m war chest to rebuild the squad and this is a luxury Roy never had. It was the right time for RH to go due to his age and he should hold his head held high. He was terrific for us and stabilised the club. I agree he failed at England, but why should that concern us as Palace fans? Dougie was useless at Bolton and Forest but a genius for us.

There are moronic comments suggesting that the RH appreciators want Vieira to fail. What a load of bush1t. Everyone wishes PV every success and he has made an excellent start which gives us all hope for the future.

 

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View robdave2k's Profile robdave2k Flag 14 Sep 21 11.46pm Send a Private Message to robdave2k Add robdave2k as a friend

Originally posted by bicycle repair man

You state that Roy wouldn't play Andersen, Guehi or Gallagher if he had them in his squad, that really is nonsense.
As for the boring Kane with corners, he was the best dead ball kicker in the team,

The best striker of the ball as Roy picked in his squad - And didnt pick a corner taker.

Bloody hell, this is like trying to debate with Dianne Abbot.

 

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View Southampton_Eagle's Profile Southampton_Eagle Flag At the after party 14 Sep 21 11.57pm Send a Private Message to Southampton_Eagle Add Southampton_Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Goal Machine


Vieira has just been given a 90m war chest to rebuild the squad and this is a luxury Roy never had. It was the right time for RH to go due to his age and he should hold his head held high. He was terrific for us and stabilised the club. I agree he failed at England, but why should that concern us as Palace fans? Dougie was useless at Bolton and Forest but a genius for us.

There are moronic comments suggesting that the RH appreciators want Vieira to fail. What a load of bush1t. Everyone wishes PV every success and he has made an excellent start which gives us all hope for the future.

Roy's job was to keep us in the PL and run down the inflated wage bill contracts so we could get younger quality in on half the wages .He did a fantastic job of that and Vieira is reaping the benefits.

 

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jeeagles Flag 15 Sep 21 12.00am

Originally posted by bicycle repair man

You state that Roy wouldn't play Andersen, Guehi or Gallagher if he had them in his squad, that really is nonsense.
As for the boring Kane with corners, he was the best dead ball kicker in the team,

Ohhh, finally a genuine rebuttal, but with a disingenuous answer.

How is stating that Roy wouldn't play Gallagher nonsense? Roy turned Gallagher down for a striker that he didn't play!

Kane failed to find an England player in the area with 5 out of 6 of the corners he took.

Hodgson has one of the most dangerous players in the world at his disposal and could have picked any English player to simply get the ball to him. Instead, he chose to take away our most dangerous threat, and rely on the limited aerial threat of Chris Smalling instead.

This is the problem with Roy's support base, they see him as immune from criticism, yet dodge any discussions about his decision making ability.

Roy came up with a simple, tedious, formula, that was enough to get by. It didn't get the best out of players, and was found wanting in many areas. It worked in the short term, producing average results, but in the long term no more than managing a slow decline.

Townsend and Palace players have shown huge signs of improvement without him.

I'd like to leave you alone, your debate skills are so terrible I have no other option but to drum home the bleeding obvious. Honestly, I think it's best you give up? Or just dont be a dick in your replies.

 

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jeeagles Flag 15 Sep 21 12.20am

Originally posted by Goal Machine

When we had the likes of these players in the team, we played some sensational football under Roy. It cant be denied that the results we ground out with our less than average and ageing squad under RH has been fantastic over the past 2 years. It was utter turgid and miserable to watch, but effective. If we had been expansive Im certain wed have been relegated, but as it were, we were never even close.

Vieira has just been given a 90m war chest to rebuild the squad and this is a luxury Roy never had. It was the right time for RH to go due to his age and he should hold his head held high. He was terrific for us and stabilised the club. I agree he failed at England, but why should that concern us as Palace fans? Dougie was useless at Bolton and Forest but a genius for us.

There are moronic comments suggesting that the RH appreciators want Vieira to fail. What a load of bush1t. Everyone wishes PV every success and he has made an excellent start which gives us all hope for the future.

I don't disagree with most of your points. I do think "fantastic" is an exaggeration, just look at the teams that went down. And Hodgson isn't someone I'd trust with a warchest to rebuilt a squad, especially as retirement was always a likelihood in the very near future.

It's fair comment to say we did just enough to get where we needed to with a team of experienced professionals and a formulaic approach.

There were many, many shortfalls in the approach which were incredibly frustrating to watch. When posters ignore all arguments, won't admit to the slightest fault, and start with petty digs, I think they deserve a bit of a wind up or dressing down.

What kind of adult ends a post with "end of" too? Always, a sign of stupidity.

 

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View Qwijibo's Profile Qwijibo Flag Bournemouth 15 Sep 21 12.31am Send a Private Message to Qwijibo Add Qwijibo as a friend

Yeah, Andros, Gray and Benitez have all got off to a really good start. All revitalised from a fresh start.

Ironic that the year Everton are skint they find their most effective transfers.

 

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View bicycle repair man's Profile bicycle repair man 15 Sep 21 12.40am Send a Private Message to bicycle repair man Add bicycle repair man as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

Ohhh, finally a genuine rebuttal, but with a disingenuous answer.

How is stating that Roy wouldn't play Gallagher nonsense? Roy turned Gallagher down for a striker that he didn't play!

Kane failed to find an England player in the area with 5 out of 6 of the corners he took.

Hodgson has one of the most dangerous players in the world at his disposal and could have picked any English player to simply get the ball to him. Instead, he chose to take away our most dangerous threat, and rely on the limited aerial threat of Chris Smalling instead.

This is the problem with Roy's support base, they see him as immune from criticism, yet dodge any discussions about his decision making ability.

Roy came up with a simple, tedious, formula, that was enough to get by. It didn't get the best out of players, and was found wanting in many areas. It worked in the short term, producing average results, but in the long term no more than managing a slow decline.

Townsend and Palace players have shown huge signs of improvement without him.

I'd like to leave you alone, your debate skills are so terrible I have no other option but to drum home the bleeding obvious. Honestly, I think it's best you give up? Or just dont be a dick in your replies.

This one paragraph shows how clueless you are, along with you're childish insults
"Townsend and Palace players have shown huge signs of improvement without him".
After a handful of games you can make that assessment, that's ludicrous.
What Palace players have shown huge improvement ?
Townsend has hugely improved ?
Because he scored a wonder goal, just like he did every now and again under Roy.
I find it quite baffling how some alleged Palace supporters bend over backwards to discredit Roy Hodgson, it's really very strange.

 

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View bicycle repair man's Profile bicycle repair man 15 Sep 21 12.42am Send a Private Message to bicycle repair man Add bicycle repair man as a friend

Originally posted by Qwijibo

Yeah, Andros, Gray and Benitez have all got off to a really good start. All revitalised from a fresh start.

Ironic that the year Everton are skint they find their most effective transfers.

And then end up just about finishing in the top ten.

 

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View antipodeagle's Profile antipodeagle Flag Wellington 15 Sep 21 2.27am Send a Private Message to antipodeagle Add antipodeagle as a friend

Andros has in recent years been very open about his mental challenges with the game of football and life in general, for which I have great respect.

What he has shared, I think, is that he's not a guy with massive, unshakeable ego/confidence that some players seem to rely on to come through shaky patches in form. This leads me to believe that, perhaps more than others, when he is happy and confident his game lifts to another level.

I've never coached any team more senior than Under 12s, but I think similar principles apply in that a great man-manager can help players find that confidence and enjoyment (the Bobby Robson doco on Netflix is a great example of this). I have no real insights into whether or not this was one of Roy's strengths, but at Everton Andros definitely seems to have found both and he looks like the player that got the England call-up again. Whether or not that's down to Benitez, his support staff, or the video from his mum, again I have no insights.

All I will say is that whether he was in sparkling form or not, I was always disappointed if he wasn't in the starting 11 at Palace as he gave us better balance, better defensive cover on the right, better crossing ability, and the increased likelihood of a belter from distance, than we had without him, whoever was in the team.

I really hope Olise, Eze or one of the other young'uns came help to provide the same balance. I don't think Ayew does.

 

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View Painter's Profile Painter Flag Croydon 15 Sep 21 6.23am Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

Ohhh, finally a genuine rebuttal, but with a disingenuous answer.

How is stating that Roy wouldn't play Gallagher nonsense? Roy turned Gallagher down for a striker that he didn't play!

Kane failed to find an England player in the area with 5 out of 6 of the corners he took.

Hodgson has one of the most dangerous players in the world at his disposal and could have picked any English player to simply get the ball to him. Instead, he chose to take away our most dangerous threat, and rely on the limited aerial threat of Chris Smalling instead.

This is the problem with Roy's support base, they see him as immune from criticism, yet dodge any discussions about his decision making ability.

Roy came up with a simple, tedious, formula, that was enough to get by. It didn't get the best out of players, and was found wanting in many areas. It worked in the short term, producing average results, but in the long term no more than managing a slow decline.

Townsend and Palace players have shown huge signs of improvement without him.

I'd like to leave you alone, your debate skills are so terrible I have no other option but to drum home the bleeding obvious. Honestly, I think it's best you give up? Or just dont be a dick in your replies.

Of the 11 players Palace released only Townsend is getting a game in the Premier, all the rest have gone to lower leagues or are squad players. So, dont make out they have improved now not being managed by RH.
RH did a job asked of him by Parish, no point going over it and try and rubbish him.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 15 Sep 21 6.51am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles


How is stating that Roy wouldn't play Gallagher nonsense? Roy turned Gallagher down for a striker that he didn't play!

I doubt whether Roy had much say in recruitment

 

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View MARKY's Profile MARKY Flag coulsdon 15 Sep 21 1.42pm Send a Private Message to MARKY Add MARKY as a friend

I watched the Everton Game Townsend looks like he's lost a stone in weight it shows the fat t*** was just going through the motions at Palace

 

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