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Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

Doesn't seem to piss people off at the rugby. It's just weird to be treated this way. Especially when letting us drink at our seats would dramatically reduce covid spread risk.

I agree with you but because at both rugby and cricket generally the fans have the courtesy to wait for a break in play to walk across in front of others. There was a group a few years ago by us who always arrived late at kick off, left early and came back late at half-time and had no regard for what was happening on the pitch. Even insisting on leaving as a corner was being taken on one occasion.

Thankfully at one time they clearly sold their seats to Man U “fans”; there was a punch up when they celebrated; and presumably this lot were banned as we never saw them again.

 


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Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

When was the last major aggro in a ground? It is just not justifiable to treat football fans differently to fans of other sports anymore.

To my mind, the only real risk these days is fans lobbing plastic pints of beer. Just stick some nets up.

About 7 weeks ago at the biggest game in europe? It might just have been just a couple of hundred fans breaking in to wembley, and fighting amongst themselves-bar a couple of Italians who wanted to just watch the game and not surrender their seats! But its enough for the powers to be to ask, if they behave like this when they are in a major final, a happy occasion for most people, imagine what they would be like tanked up and their team losing!

 

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Originally posted by kuge

Watching football in Japan you can sit in your seat and drink beer all afternoon. Every so often a young person with a large backpack will come by and offer to top up your glass (plastic) via a hose. If you are feeling hungry you can easily obtain a very good bento box (packed meal). All this with constant singing and very strong support.


I bet they don"t stand in a river of khasipizz either Kuge!

 

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Originally posted by trapperjohn

I agree with you but because at both rugby and cricket generally the fans have the courtesy to wait for a break in play to walk across in front of others. There was a group a few years ago by us who always arrived late at kick off, left early and came back late at half-time and had no regard for what was happening on the pitch. Even insisting on leaving as a corner was being taken on one occasion.

Thankfully at one time they clearly sold their seats to Man U “fans”; there was a punch up when they celebrated; and presumably this lot were banned as we never saw them again.

We were "only here for the beer "John!

 

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what's not to like about the current system - necking as many pre-match beers as you can to the point of almost-vomming, and then holding in an uncomfortable giant p1ss for 45 minutes, then doing the whole thing again for the second half?

 

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Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

what's not to like about the current system - necking as many pre-match beers as you can to the point of almost-vomming, and then holding in an uncomfortable giant p1ss for 45 minutes, then doing the whole thing again for the second half?

Sounds fair to me !

 

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Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

When was the last major aggro in a ground? It is just not justifiable to treat football fans differently to fans of other sports anymore.

To my mind, the only real risk these days is fans lobbing plastic pints of beer. Just stick some nets up.

Reasons to treat football fans differently:

1) It is the only sport where celebrations have people bouncing up and down/falling into different rows/surging to the front. At best, you'd have kids covered in alcohol. Cricket, rugby etc. tend to be a bit of a cheer, stand up and applause because each 'score' doesn't mean anywhere near as much to the outcome of the game.

2) There are still a bunch of tits in football who see themselves as a firm and pop along for a scrap, and it only takes 30 idiots in a crowd of 40,000 to actually cause a fairly decent sized issue. No other sport has 'firms', however pathetic they may be these days. There was a fight in the stands at the Leicester Napoli game just last night.

3) The arrest record is, albeit decreasing, still too high comparatively and that's without alcohol during games. As another poster mentioned above - away fans in the home end is still likely to result in a punch up which isn't the case in other sports.

4) Football has the worst health & safety record for spectators of any mainstream sport in the UK by an absolute mile. That's now mostly historical, but that shadow is going to hold for a long time - just look at the challenges at bringing back safe standing. The Euro final doesn't help.


 


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Originally posted by ambrose7

Reasons to treat football fans differently:

1) It is the only sport where celebrations have people bouncing up and down/falling into different rows/surging to the front. At best, you'd have kids covered in alcohol. Cricket, rugby etc. tend to be a bit of a cheer, stand up and applause because each 'score' doesn't mean anywhere near as much to the outcome of the game.

2) There are still a bunch of tits in football who see themselves as a firm and pop along for a scrap, and it only takes 30 idiots in a crowd of 40,000 to actually cause a fairly decent sized issue. No other sport has 'firms', however pathetic they may be these days. There was a fight in the stands at the Leicester Napoli game just last night.

3) The arrest record is, albeit decreasing, still too high comparatively and that's without alcohol during games. As another poster mentioned above - away fans in the home end is still likely to result in a punch up which isn't the case in other sports.

4) Football has the worst health & safety record for spectators of any mainstream sport in the UK by an absolute mile. That's now mostly historical, but that shadow is going to hold for a long time - just look at the challenges at bringing back safe standing. The Euro final doesn't help.


And there you have it!

 

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Originally posted by ambrose7

Reasons to treat football fans differently:

1) It is the only sport where celebrations have people bouncing up and down/falling into different rows/surging to the front. At best, you'd have kids covered in alcohol. Cricket, rugby etc. tend to be a bit of a cheer, stand up and applause because each 'score' doesn't mean anywhere near as much to the outcome of the game.

2) There are still a bunch of tits in football who see themselves as a firm and pop along for a scrap, and it only takes 30 idiots in a crowd of 40,000 to actually cause a fairly decent sized issue. No other sport has 'firms', however pathetic they may be these days. There was a fight in the stands at the Leicester Napoli game just last night.

3) The arrest record is, albeit decreasing, still too high comparatively and that's without alcohol during games. As another poster mentioned above - away fans in the home end is still likely to result in a punch up which isn't the case in other sports.

4) Football has the worst health & safety record for spectators of any mainstream sport in the UK by an absolute mile. That's now mostly historical, but that shadow is going to hold for a long time - just look at the challenges at bringing back safe standing. The Euro final doesn't help.


1. Football's got pretty tepid these days and in Germany they manage
2. Give me examples from donestic English football of in-stadia fighting in the past 10 years
3. & 4. Please give evidence applicable to the past 10 years on a per-fan basis.

 


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Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

1. Football's got pretty tepid these days and in Germany they manage
2. Give me examples from donestic English football of in-stadia fighting in the past 10 years
3. & 4. Please give evidence applicable to the past 10 years on a per-fan basis.


1. [Link] - no-one in a policy position wants kids covered in beer and it's guaranteed to happen up and down the country every week due to the way football fans celebrate vs rugby, cricket, tennis, athletics etc. fans.

2. [Link] fans throwing advertising hoardings last month - [Link] [Link] [Link] [Link] [Link] that's without drinking in the stands and with crowd segregation, and that's ignoring the clear risk of rival fans who have taken on loads of alcohol during the game meeting outside at full time. Plenty of examples of out of ground disorder.

3/4 - It's low on a per fan basis, of course it is, and there are government statistics available with a quick google search if you'd like to spend your evening on it. Problem is, it needs to be essentially zero for the desire to have a beer to outweigh any politician prioritising it over any possible risk to public safety. That's where the Euro final doesn't help, and with Hillsborough and safe standing showing that the shadows last a lot, lot longer than 10 years. For policy makers, Heysel is still relevant, will be for years to come, and it isn't going to change.

I'm not the culture MP, write them an email if you feel that strongly because complaining on here won't do anything, but objectively everything I have written in the original reasons is going to go against football fans drinking in view of the pitch and it being busy at half-time isn't going to be a good enough reason to reverse it - the answer will be if you're that worried about Covid, don't have a beer.

 


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Originally posted by ambrose7


1. [Link] - no-one in a policy position wants kids covered in beer and it's guaranteed to happen up and down the country every week due to the way football fans celebrate vs rugby, cricket, tennis, athletics etc. fans.

2. [Link] fans throwing advertising hoardings last month - [Link] [Link] [Link] [Link] [Link] that's without drinking in the stands and with crowd segregation, and that's ignoring the clear risk of rival fans who have taken on loads of alcohol during the game meeting outside at full time. Plenty of examples of out of ground disorder.

3/4 - It's low on a per fan basis, of course it is, and there are government statistics available with a quick google search if you'd like to spend your evening on it. Problem is, it needs to be essentially zero for the desire to have a beer to outweigh any politician prioritising it over any possible risk to public safety. That's where the Euro final doesn't help, and with Hillsborough and safe standing showing that the shadows last a lot, lot longer than 10 years. For policy makers, Heysel is still relevant, will be for years to come, and it isn't going to change.

I'm not the culture MP, write them an email if you feel that strongly because complaining on here won't do anything, but objectively everything I have written in the original reasons is going to go against football fans drinking in view of the pitch and it being busy at half-time isn't going to be a good enough reason to reverse it - the answer will be if you're that worried about Covid, don't have a beer.

Just chattin my friend. And giving a view. As are you, very eloquently.

 


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I went to watch a Hamburg match as part of a stag do where we were able to safe stand and drink beer pitch side for the full 90 minutes. Not only were we allowed beer, it was bought to us so we didn’t even have to leave our seat. It was a far more enjoyable experience than English football. Atmosphere/singing were far superior too.

However… it cannot be denied that we have a yob culture in the UK, and most of the yobs follow football. These yobs don’t attend rugby and cricket and if they did they would stick out like a sore thumb and be ejected pretty quickly. That type would not be welcome in that environment.

90% of fans would be alright, but 10% can’t handle their booze and would see it as license to carry of getting smashed and cause trouble.

I like a match day beer as much as anyone and the system of pre/post/half time beer works fine (the half time one is terrible of course). Surely people can last an hour without a pint?

 

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