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View palace99's Profile palace99 Flag New Mills 29 Sep 21 10.00am Send a Private Message to palace99 Add palace99 as a friend

Originally posted by MrRobbo

Do many managers often change their starting 11's when doing well. Over the last couple of games PV has transitioned Luka and Eduard in, and I'm sure Olise will also come in when ready. Out of interest what changes to the starting 11 did you want?

For what its worth I think the subs were right (on paper). The game was starting to swing, and we couldn't really get the ball to stick up top. Plus they are a big side. So bring on some height and some fresh legs. Unfortunately Benteke didn't put a shift in, so we were basically down to 10 men.

Viera isn't stupid and would have seen what we saw. Will he trust that he can bring Benteke on for the last 15 to continue the good pressing work and help lead from the front? I doubt it.

(In the same way that after Jairo's shocker I doubt he'll get a look in for a while.)

FFS this is a discussion board, why do some people get so defensive. I'm happy if you disagree, just state your opinion and go.

For the record we have won 1 game all season and are struggling to score so 'doing well' is clearly subjective.

As you've asked what changes i would make, here are my observations.

1. Kouyate and Macca can't play in the same midfield - both work hard but neither is a great passer. So pick 1. He kept them in the same team until Monday's game. Luka has been slowly coming back to fitness but we also have Hughes who has not kicked a ball yet. Luka after a fine cameo against Spurs didn't feature at all against Liverpool - Jairo was brought on and we all know what happened thereafter, so your transitioning comment is a tad strange.

2. I would have put Olise on with 10 to go on Monday and changed to 442. We were getting overrun at 433 so simply changing personnel would have little impact - and it didn't

3. If we continue playing 433 start switching the Zaha and who ever is on the right. We are too predictable ATM

4. During games also consider switching to 352 and 442 in games rather than rigidly sticking to same system.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 29 Sep 21 10.14am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by eric youngs headband

Im not aware that we lost? thought it was a draw....

We lost two points

 

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View eric youngs headband's Profile eric youngs headband Flag amersham 29 Sep 21 10.40am Send a Private Message to eric youngs headband Add eric youngs headband as a friend

Originally posted by beak

I hope you are aware that it felt like a loss.


Maybe to some, we got what we deserved in the end. Only one goal to show for all the pretty football, a point in a derby, learnings for Vieira and move on..

 


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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 29 Sep 21 11.43am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by palace99

FFS this is a discussion board, why do some people get so defensive. I'm happy if you disagree, just state your opinion and go.

For the record we have won 1 game all season and are struggling to score so 'doing well' is clearly subjective.

As you've asked what changes i would make, here are my observations.

1. Kouyate and Macca can't play in the same midfield - both work hard but neither is a great passer. So pick 1. He kept them in the same team until Monday's game. Luka has been slowly coming back to fitness but we also have Hughes who has not kicked a ball yet. Luka after a fine cameo against Spurs didn't feature at all against Liverpool - Jairo was brought on and we all know what happened thereafter, so your transitioning comment is a tad strange.

2. I would have put Olise on with 10 to go on Monday and changed to 442. We were getting overrun at 433 so simply changing personnel would have little impact - and it didn't

3. If we continue playing 433 start switching the Zaha and who ever is on the right. We are too predictable ATM

4. During games also consider switching to 352 and 442 in games rather than rigidly sticking to same system.

Wasnít defensive, it was the start of a discussion. PV made 2 changes to the starting 11 and so I was genuinely interested in what other changes you wanted?

Iíd agree on CK and Macca, as with Luka and JR for pace reasons. Iím surprised we havenít seen Hughes yet, but Macca is playing well, and we suspected he was a Macca stand in vs a starting CM when we bought him.

Personally, Iíd disagree on Olise. I am desperate to see him and desperate for him to do well, but in a game of that magnitude, where he might have to do a lot of defending for the final 10 I think it would have been a bit of a risk. But hey, he literally couldnít have done any worse than Benteke.

Iíd be in favour of Wilf being more fluid, like when him and Bolasie used to do it, but heís not done that in years, so canít imagine him starting again now.

Yeah, the subs were predictable, in my book that was a good thing. Bring 2 big men on to counter their height for the last 15, and Jeff is an experienced premiership player. The fact that you would have put Macca on the wing and Olise upfront absolutely baffles me. But hey everyoneís opinion is valid.

And formations are fluid. The first half looked very different positionally to the last 10 mins. CK was practically playing as a CB and both wingers were pegged back, so we were effectively playing a 541 at the end. Well 450 because of how little effort Benteke put in.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 29 Sep 21 12.05pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

At the time I was happy with the substitutions and understood the logic, particularly with Brighton playing more directly and using their physical presence.
In hindsight the substitutions didn't help, but that's easy to say with the benefit of hindsight.
An argument could me made that Ayew rather than Benteke would be a better option as a sub in a similar scenario i.e when we're holding a lead in the last 15 minutes.
At least he will chase down defenders and run about a bit, which Benteke either won't or can't do.
I'm unconvinced that Benteke will suit Vieira's style in any event.
Has he even looked like scoring in any game where he's featured under Vieira so far?

 

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View slubglurge's Profile slubglurge Flag welling 29 Sep 21 2.44pm Send a Private Message to slubglurge Add slubglurge as a friend

I actually think we should spend the entire next seasons budget on him. He's that good

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 29 Sep 21 3.48pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Whatever your view on Bentenke surely it must have been frustrating for everyone having seen our forwards force mistakes all game by closing down their defenders to see him trot on and make a half-hearted effort at closing the defenders down. I mean, he was at the game, so he could see that tactic was ruffling their feathers. Is it a fitness issue? A lack of willingness? Whatever it is I personally found it disappointing that he didn't put himself about.


And his laziness was apparent within 30 seconds of him coming on. PV was doing his nut trying to get Benteke to get stuck in.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 29 Sep 21 4.27pm Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Lets hope that PV learns fast, that what you do on the training pitch and in the real game is completely different.

 

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View ChicagoPalace's Profile ChicagoPalace Flag 29 Sep 21 4.44pm Send a Private Message to ChicagoPalace Add ChicagoPalace as a friend

There really is not much excuse for Ayew's off target attempt. That's a shot he has to convert. That said, when it comes to holding a lead, and assuming both Benteke and Ayew are on the bench, I'd much rather Ayew come in for Edouard than Benteke. Ayew's work rate is much higher, and he is much better at holding/maintaining possession and drawing fouls than Benteke. It's a role he fit most capably two seasons ago.

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Online Flag 29 Sep 21 5.22pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Regarding Benteke, he's a mediocre footballer, and to top it off, he's a lazy cnut as well. I have no doubt that PV has realised that Benteke won't fit into the high press scheme of things, and as currently we don't seem to be playing for crosses that much I wonder where that leaves Benteke...

 

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Originally posted by slubglurge

I actually think we should spend the entire next seasons budget on him. He's that good

yup.
agree with that.
be too late soon.

 


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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 29 Sep 21 9.03pm Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


And his laziness was apparent within 30 seconds of him coming on. PV was doing his nut trying to get Benteke to get stuck in.

That's good to know. PV will either get him to work, or just wont trust him

 

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