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1861 display fundraiser v Aston Villa

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View gav's Profile gav Flag 12 Oct 21 11.04pm Send a Private Message to gav Add gav as a friend

The HF have launched a fundraiser for a display for the Villa game on the 27th of November to mark 160 years since the club's beginnings in 1861.

Anyone who would like to donate and help commemorate this historic moment can do so here [Link]

Edited by gav (12 Oct 2021 11.06pm)

 

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View mcduh's Profile mcduh Flag 12 Oct 21 11.07pm Send a Private Message to mcduh Add mcduh as a friend

nice1, gav. Let's all chip in!

Text from the Gofundme page:

"Fan funded display to celebrate the 160th anniversary of Crystal Palace Football Club. Please donate to mark this historic occasion and join us at Selhurst on 27th November 2021 at the game against Villa.

CPFC - 1861."

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View rikz's Profile rikz Flag Croydon 13 Oct 21 9.16am Send a Private Message to rikz Add rikz as a friend

The club didn't begin in 1861

 

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View Uphill's Profile Uphill Flag Bedford 13 Oct 21 9.19am Send a Private Message to Uphill Add Uphill as a friend

Originally posted by rikz

The club didn't begin in 1861

Apparently according to the FA it did.

 

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View glaziermart's Profile glaziermart Flag 13 Oct 21 12.58pm Send a Private Message to glaziermart Add glaziermart as a friend

The club have accepted our foundation date is 1861. The evidence provided by Peter Manning is pretty compelling. The club have marked our 160th anniversary. I believe the FA will endorse this officially soon. We are effectively the oldest professional football club in existence.

 

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View crystal-purley's Profile crystal-purley Flag Purley 13 Oct 21 1.05pm Send a Private Message to crystal-purley Add crystal-purley as a friend

Chipped in and cheers for letting us know

 


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View Frickin Saweet's Profile Frickin Saweet Flag South Cronx 13 Oct 21 3.51pm Send a Private Message to Frickin Saweet Add Frickin Saweet as a friend

Originally posted by glaziermart

The club have accepted our foundation date is 1861. The evidence provided by Peter Manning is pretty compelling. The club have marked our 160th anniversary. I believe the FA will endorse this officially soon. We are effectively the oldest professional football club in existence.

who's this Peter Manning fella? Any links to his evidence. I've only seen a bit about this and thought it looked like the 1861 Crystal Palace was only linked via namesake and nothing to do with the club we support.

ok, so I looked it up myself. [Link]

This is the killer paragraph:

“I was always aware of, if you like, the club ‘legend’ that there had been a team in 1861 but that it was not connected to today’s club. Now that we can show that it was, by virtue of it always having been the team of the Crystal Palace and its owners, the Crystal Palace Company, from 1861 onwards, we can claim to be the oldest professional league club in the world.”

Edited by Frickin Saweet (13 Oct 2021 3.56pm)

 

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Thank you for finding that paragraph. Plus the FA have invited us to play in the Generation Cup alongside the Wanderers, Royal Engineers, Hitchin etc. So they appear to have accepted it. Crystal Palace among the first ever known clubs in football history!! Lovely!!!

 

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View est1905's Profile est1905 Flag 13 Oct 21 4.36pm Send a Private Message to est1905 Add est1905 as a friend

Originally posted by glaziermart

The club have accepted our foundation date is 1861. The evidence provided by Peter Manning is pretty compelling. The club have marked our 160th anniversary. I believe the FA will endorse this officially soon. We are effectively the oldest professional football club in existence.

If I were to be pedantic I would say that we were not a fully fledged professional club until 1905 therefore (accepted it IS indeed the same club) but as a professional club we didn't start out until 1905.

 

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Originally posted by est1905

If I were to be pedantic I would say that we were not a fully fledged professional club until 1905 therefore (accepted it IS indeed the same club) but as a professional club we didn't start out until 1905.


Indeed. But that does not matter, it is the length of existence from the foundation date of 1861 until now. As we were still owned by the Palace company, we turned professional in 1905. But it was always the exact same club. But we were formed in the amateur days.

 

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View sydtheeagle's Profile sydtheeagle Flag England 13 Oct 21 8.13pm Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

I think there's not much argument now that the club was formed in 1861, and the professional club launched in 1905. It doesn't make much difference to me that as an institution our operating status changed (from amateur to professional) 44 years after our founding; that's an irrelevant detail. As long as a continuous thread can be established that runs from the original organisation through the one which became professional - and it has been established - I'm happy with the 1865 date (and I tend to be quite pedantic about this sort of change, usually being indisposed to accept revisionist history). Let's be honest, if Carshalton Athletic suddenly turned full-time pro next week, none of us would question if it was still Carshalton Athletic. The only wonder is it took so long for someone to do the research and work this out.

 


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Peter Manning has said he was able to find internet records presumably destroyed in the great fire of the Palace, so previous historians had little to go on, but the wonders of modern technology has pieced this story together. Many of us knew our great institution was a lot older than 1905, the amateur club had been talked about in pubs for many years. Now so much has been proved and it adds lustre to our wonderful club.

 

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