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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 23 Oct 21 3.28pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

A couple of points:

Blank ammunition should look totally different to live ammo. It is usually coloured differently. A mix up then would not be easy.

You can get killed or injured by blanks. Dirt in the barrel, a splinter of metal, that kind of thing, can fire out at the velocity of a normal bullet. Hence blanks need to be fired with caution.

I was thinking about this and realised that there's probably no real need for actual blanks these days. I'm pretty sure CGI type effects can do it. The full implications of that I don't know.

Bloke on the radio said the reason for blanks is it still gives the jolt, as oppose to nothing firing. Back in the day, they used live ammo, James Cagney put a stop to it, he said he"s not appearing in a film using live ammo again-and they stopped it.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 23 Oct 21 5.02pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

Bloke on the radio said the reason for blanks is it still gives the jolt, as oppose to nothing firing. Back in the day, they used live ammo, James Cagney put a stop to it, he said he"s not appearing in a film using live ammo again-and they stopped it.

Yup in his biography Cagney said he refused to do a scene where a machine gun was fired at him and missed. The gun expert said it would be fine Cagney made him demonstrate it and and the bloke missed and would have killed Cagney if he had been standing in the place he was supposed to be.

 


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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 23 Oct 21 5.31pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Yup in his biography Cagney said he refused to do a scene where a machine gun was fired at him and missed. The gun expert said it would be fine Cagney made him demonstrate it and and the bloke missed and would have killed Cagney if he had been standing in the place he was supposed to be.

You know your stuff Badger, I remember you picking up my Tyrone Power mistake for Marlon Brando in my taxi, you are our resident- go to- film buff!

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 23 Oct 21 8.16pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

You know your stuff Badger, I remember you picking up my Tyrone Power mistake for Marlon Brando in my taxi, you are our resident- go to- film buff!

I am a film buff the golden era of Hollywood is my thing 1930's to 1950's.

 


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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 24 Oct 21 8.40pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

I have been involved in blanks etc on the stage and only at an amateur level.
When we were allowed to do it way back when it was seriously well managed.
This is a serious breach and I suspect foul play.

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 24 Oct 21 10.40pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

I have been involved in blanks etc on the stage and only at an amateur level.
When we were allowed to do it way back when it was seriously well managed.
This is a serious breach and I suspect foul play.

From the coverage I'd say it's starting to look more and look like cutting corners and people not experienced at their job in positions of much responsibility, rather than foul play.

 

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 25 Oct 21 1.08pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

From the coverage I'd say it's starting to look more and look like cutting corners and people not experienced at their job in positions of much responsibility, rather than foul play.

Yeah, 5 or 6 staff waked off site a few hours before because of working conditions, and the armourer was a 22 year old lady whos dad got her in, he was an armourer to, and she had previously handed a loaded gun to an 11 year old girl!The staff were promised a local hotel in town to live in, but ended up 50 miles away, nice drive after a long shift!

 

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View stuckinbristol's Profile stuckinbristol Flag In the woodwork. 25 Oct 21 2.17pm Send a Private Message to stuckinbristol Add stuckinbristol as a friend

Couple of questions about this.

I heard another person was also injured and taken to hospital?

Why the f**k is there any need to have live ammo anywhere near a film set, let alone within the area of the blanks?

Terrible thing to happen, and sure Baldwin will carry this for the rest of his life.

 

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Originally posted by stuckinbristol

Couple of questions about this.

I heard another person was also injured and taken to hospital?

Why the f**k is there any need to have live ammo anywhere near a film set, let alone within the area of the blanks?

Terrible thing to happen, and sure Baldwin will carry this for the rest of his life.

There is no need for live ammo at all so this is down to the Armourer.

Apparently she and others on the set were target shooting in their spare time so perhaps a live round got mixed up with the blanks. This is the key question why were they allowed to do this. Was it bring your gun to work week?

 


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View stuckinbristol's Profile stuckinbristol Flag In the woodwork. 25 Oct 21 2.29pm Send a Private Message to stuckinbristol Add stuckinbristol as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

There is no need for live ammo at all so this is down to the Armourer.

Apparently she and others on the set were target shooting in their spare time so perhaps a live round got mixed up with the blanks. This is the key question why were they allowed to do this. Was it bring your gun to work week?

I hadn't heard about this...Jesus Christ, how irresponsible can anyone be?
Someone needs to be responsible for this s**t show.

Just as well this doesn't happen at the Olympics with the starters pistol, sorry you in the top tier, we were playing shoot the can between races and forgot to put the blanks back in!

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 25 Oct 21 2.45pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

Yeah, 5 or 6 staff waked off site a few hours before because of working conditions, and the armourer was a 22 year old lady whos dad got her in, he was an armourer to, and she had previously handed a loaded gun to an 11 year old girl!The staff were promised a local hotel in town to live in, but ended up 50 miles away, nice drive after a long shift!

Sounds like a lot of corner cutting and a disaster waiting to happen

 

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 28 Oct 21 5.09pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Sounds like a lot of corner cutting and a disaster waiting to happen

Yeah, all about the money, I was on a building site years back, went up the stairway to floor 5 and there was no lighting, but bricks scattered and rubble and two open lift shafts, waiting for a victim to drop 5 floors! I went and told the site forman, politely, that its an accident-and death- waiting to happen, 15 mins later my charge hand came over to me and told me I was fired! Thats what you get with no representation these days-even those days! I did call the HSE on leaving and was pleased to hear the whole site was shut down the next day for a couple of days, hope the useless cnut got it in the neck from the chairman, it was a big job and time is money, especially if you don"t finish on time!

 

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