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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 12 Jan 22 7.52pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

You just don"t get it, they wont spend on the privatised drugs as they are to expensive and would rather bandage 10 peoples arms- thats 10 happy customers- rather than the one life saving op- looks better in the accounts.Take off those blue tinted specs !

Apart from by not bandaging the arm they might have two deaths.
The NHS was never designed to keep people alive. It was designed to make people better. Sooner people realise that death happens the expectations might be more realistic!

 

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View orpingtoneagle's Profile orpingtoneagle Online Flag Orpington 12 Jan 22 9.42pm Send a Private Message to orpingtoneagle Add orpingtoneagle as a friend

We have universal health care medicine mostly free at the point of delivery via the NHS.

This model would make it hard for the service to be run as anything but a nationalised service.

Ok we can take two very real examples of where public and private try to co exist in universal healthcare.

GP's are mostly self employed and some are so overworked they are no longer able to provide a service. I know a few and for them it is not a money issue. It is simply they do not have enough hours in the day. They are so reliant on other non existent services they have taken up as much slack as they can. Dentists meanwhile will often not provide an NHS service as it is far more profitable to run a private one. (Despite NHS dental fees being too expensive for those who probably really need them.)

Back in the day National Insurance was a levy to pay for things like the NHS, increasingly now that pot as more akin to general taxation. Maybe we should go back to ring fenced funding of the NHS. I wonder if folks would miss as many appointments if they understood the costs.

 

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View Badadmcmad's Profile Badadmcmad Flag Leeds 12 Jan 22 9.55pm Send a Private Message to Badadmcmad Add Badadmcmad as a friend

I wonder if it occurs to people, generally, that the Tories are big fans of privatisation and indeed have been privatising a lot of the NHS over the years.

They are also responsible for the record waiting list times - despite the money being thrown at the NHS (well, more and more syphoned quickly to the private sector).

Also, worth noting that the private sector which receives billions from NHS contracts also are involved in billion pound litigations against the NHS over contract issues (Virgin Health).

The point is, that the NHS is struggling because it's not being directed properly and that is more than likely deliberate.

If you think privatisation is a good thing, where is the extreme example of such a system? The US...?

The NHS is very efficient. This is why the vaccine rollout went well once the NHS took over from Tory corporate buddies.


Originally posted by cryrst

So mention privatising the NHS and loads go in to melt down about care at point of need etc etc. The NHS is too big to fail but to big to succeed. It is an inefficient dinosaur wasting money and not fulfilling its potential. (CP this isn't about the recent dosh ) Most staff are wonderful people with caring being the prime reason for working in said NHS.
Wages are paid for the job they do rightly or wrongly but that is a matter of opinion. Now that's out of the way I think there are parts of it which would benefit from being privatised. There are too many chiefs and not enough Indians for a start.
(figure of speech before; you know.....).
Anyhow I'm not a business man but some learned people on here and within our society could prove these points no doubt with facts and figures. Alongside less wastage, less crap staff, possible better wages, savings to hmg whichever colour could and would be made.
Any ideas because whenever it's mentioned the BMA rock up to Russel square for a march and any suggestion is put to bed.

 


D'oh!

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 12 Jan 22 10.30pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

So mention privatising the NHS and loads go in to melt down about care at point of need etc etc. The NHS is too big to fail but to big to succeed. It is an inefficient dinosaur wasting money and not fulfilling its potential. (CP this isn't about the recent dosh ) Most staff are wonderful people with caring being the prime reason for working in said NHS.
Wages are paid for the job they do rightly or wrongly but that is a matter of opinion. Now that's out of the way I think there are parts of it which would benefit from being privatised. There are too many chiefs and not enough Indians for a start.
(figure of speech before; you know.....).
Anyhow I'm not a business man but some learned people on here and within our society could prove these points no doubt with facts and figures. Alongside less wastage, less crap staff, possible better wages, savings to hmg whichever colour could and would be made.
Any ideas because whenever it's mentioned the BMA rock up to Russel square for a march and any suggestion is put to bed.

This seems to suggest that the private sector is not already heavily involved in the NHS. Estimates vary that between 25% and 40% of its budget is spent via the private sector. Which is already substantial by any measurement. Some ambulance services, for instance, are privatised.

It's a question of common sense. If using the profit motive produces hard work and efficiency, go for it. If it results in cutting corners, stressing staff, reducing care quality and lengthening waits then don't. That generally means that support services can be privatised whilst clinical provisions ought not to be.

 

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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 13 Jan 22 7.20am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Originally posted by kingdowieonthewall

absolutely.
I worked as a contractor in many NHS properties.
the amount of spunked on trivial schemes & tinpot ideas is atrocious.
Ive seen large waste containers the size of a bungalow, full of reasonably new office furniture, chairs etc as they 'no longer complied'
painted whole corridors 100s yds long, to re-do it all again a year later as the 'focus colour' had changed.
i could go on..

Me too!
There are too many stories to tell!

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 14 Jan 22 12.55pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

My first adult job was as admin in the NHS. Hilarious title of deceased patient's property, I also did the wages and petty cash,and gave out 'pocket money' from the welfare of longer term patients. There were three in total in my office. We had five managers. I presume it hasn't changed much in that regard. Of course, the hospital used to do a lot then, but very little now. Just minor procedures. Not even A & E which is 30 miles away on packed roads.

Edited by ASCPFC (14 Jan 2022 12.56pm)

 


I used to put the manager's name in front of Red and Blue but got fed up with changing it. If someone cool becomes our manager then maybe..

Red and Blue Army!

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