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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 31 Jan 22 9.53am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

For all the positive steps forward we have taken the last 6 months, we still tend to show a slightly smaller club mentality when it comes to getting deals over the line. To be fair Im totally ambivalent with regard to DVdB as Im not sure he would have been right for us but if the club really thought he was the right player then maybe trying to knock a few quid off here and there in negotiations has backfired as Everton have jumped in and offered full wages plus loan fee.

We will never know the fully story but we do appear to lose a lot of our targets to West Ham and other clubs of that ilk. I was kind of hoping we had moved on from that, maybe we will maybe we wont, approach to transfer business. I am however pleased to hear from Darren Ambrose that there are transfer plans afoot for the summer so perhaps PV is not currently that concerned about improving our existing playing staff using expensive loans and can wait for season end.

Of course the other way of viewing this is that everything about Ramsey and DVdB was click bait and therefore we were not particularly bothered about signing them anyway, in which case I am misjudging the situation.

I think all fans like to see one or two January signings, but we all know the associated cost of business this time of year so maybe we are best out of it. We will know for certain by the end of the day anyway.

I hate to break it to you but we still are.

West Ham and Everton gazump us because they have more money and are prepared to chuck as much at the seller as the seller demands.

Not necessarily a bad thing for us. We are a middling sized club run prudently on sustainable grounds. You play for us if you want first team football in the premier league and get paid well. But if you want to pull our pants down, go elsewhere.

On young Donny, would have loved him to have played for us for a bit, but it was not to be.

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 31 Jan 22 3.39pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

I hate to break it to you but we still are.

West Ham and Everton gazump us because they have more money and are prepared to chuck as much at the seller as the seller demands.

Not necessarily a bad thing for us. We are a middling sized club run prudently on sustainable grounds. You play for us if you want first team football in the premier league and get paid well. But if you want to pull our pants down, go elsewhere.

On young Donny, would have loved him to have played for us for a bit, but it was not to be.

You are not breaking any news to me. I know exactly where we sit in the pecking order. I had rather hoped however that the shopping in Poundland approach was gone and if we were committed to a player then wed see it through. We knew what the price was but allowed another club to take him from under our noses. If the response from our club was they wanted too much or we dont think he is worth that much then fine however if we we have let a player of his quality go for the sake of a couple of extra 100k over 4 months then more the fool us.

He could have possibly earned us 3 additional places in the league come season end and that would have paid his wages.

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 31 Jan 22 4.41pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

You are not breaking any news to me. I know exactly where we sit in the pecking order. I had rather hoped however that the shopping in Poundland approach was gone and if we were committed to a player then wed see it through. We knew what the price was but allowed another club to take him from under our noses. If the response from our club was they wanted too much or we dont think he is worth that much then fine however if we we have let a player of his quality go for the sake of a couple of extra 100k over 4 months then more the fool us.

He could have possibly earned us 3 additional places in the league come season end and that would have paid his wages.


Do you really think it might be the latter? Our summer dealings suggest to me at least that the club are not going to pay silly money for short term gain. The real business will be pencilled in for this coming summer and I suspect that DF & Co are already identifying the targets they want to bring in not to mention which of the expiring contracts they wish to renew. We knew from the start of this window that it was unlikely we would do any business unless the right type of player at the right price became available. We are fortunate that we are not in desperation straits like Newcastle and Everton.

 

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View Black Eagle's Profile Black Eagle Flag Swindon 31 Jan 22 6.22pm Send a Private Message to Black Eagle Add Black Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


Do you really think it might be the latter? Our summer dealings suggest to me at least that the club are not going to pay silly money for short term gain. The real business will be pencilled in for this coming summer and I suspect that DF & Co are already identifying the targets they want to bring in not to mention which of the expiring contracts they wish to renew. We knew from the start of this window that it was unlikely we would do any business unless the right type of player at the right price became available. We are fortunate that we are not in desperation straits like Newcastle and Everton.

Totally agree with this and think it was the latter as you mention. His value is as much as we are willing to pay and for a position we are not screaming out for seems foolish. Maybe we'd rather splash the cash on another international star....

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 31 Jan 22 6.28pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


Do you really think it might be the latter? Our summer dealings suggest to me at least that the club are not going to pay silly money for short term gain. The real business will be pencilled in for this coming summer and I suspect that DF & Co are already identifying the targets they want to bring in not to mention which of the expiring contracts they wish to renew. We knew from the start of this window that it was unlikely we would do any business unless the right type of player at the right price became available. We are fortunate that we are not in desperation straits like Newcastle and Everton.

I think the premis for a midfielder could have been instigated by Jimmy Macs extended injury whilst accepting that they are different kinds of player. We could be short of quality in that department if he struggles to regain fitness and we pick up another injury to say Schlupp who normally manages at least one injury per season.

To be fair, any loan player is short term gain. Whether it makes sense or not depends on the cost to added value ratio which no one would really know with DVdB until he joins a team. If he has a stormer at Everton we will regret it.

 

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View crvenaeagle's Profile crvenaeagle Flag 02 Feb 22 11.16am Send a Private Message to crvenaeagle Add crvenaeagle as a friend

Why? I will never understand why players go to Everton. Crap, dead end club that never do anything. Total obscurity.

Perhaps nobody else wanted him?

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 02 Feb 22 12.28pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by crvenaeagle

Why? I will never understand why players go to Everton. Crap, dead end club that never do anything. Total obscurity.

Perhaps nobody else wanted him?

A, A, A, calm down, calm down.

Harsh words, harsh words but can't help but agree with the sentiment. Perhaps we should employ AJ and Yannick to consult on such moves? Always grateful for the wonga however.

 


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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag 02 Feb 22 1.20pm Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

I hate to break it to you but we still are.

West Ham and Everton gazump us because they have more money and are prepared to chuck as much at the seller as the seller demands.

Not necessarily a bad thing for us. We are a middling sized club run prudently on sustainable grounds. You play for us if you want first team football in the premier league and get paid well. But if you want to pull our pants down, go elsewhere.

On young Donny, would have loved him to have played for us for a bit, but it was not to be.

I agree, but at the same time I would rather splash cash as we have done. Short term loans I'm not convinced of especially expensive ones.

 

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View Crystal_Clear's Profile Crystal_Clear Flag Belfast 02 Feb 22 2.49pm Send a Private Message to Crystal_Clear Add Crystal_Clear as a friend

I think there were other factors concerning DVDB going Everton.

1. Firstly, Everton is not too far away from United so he doesn't have to temporarily move homes.

2. His partner is pregnant, so she probably doesn't want to up sticks and move to London for the next 6 months.

So when Everton expressed an interest, it probably seemed easier for them.

 

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View Brinscalleagle2's Profile Brinscalleagle2 Flag Brinscall 02 Feb 22 4.54pm Send a Private Message to Brinscalleagle2 Add Brinscalleagle2 as a friend

That I think is Crystal- Clear . COYP

 

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View sydtheeagle's Profile sydtheeagle Flag England 03 Feb 22 11.47am Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

I'm pretty ambivalent about VdB. The upside was that it would have been, for us, what these days they call a "statement signing" and I do think it would have helped our image in terms of marketing ourselves to future targets to have done this sort of deal. But that said, I'm not entirely convinced that VdB was a player it made sense to push the boat out for. Not at all proven in the Prem and a reasonable argument can be made that he's a bit too lightweight for the league. All-in-all, I can see that keeping our powder dry until the summer was a better strategy.

I do find Everton's window an act of utter desperation. It seems the main motivation behind the signings of both VdB and Alli, each of whom cost a lot of money (whether in fees or wages) and neither of whom is anywhere near top form or at this point, a proven commodity is the usual Everton strategy of putting lipstick on a pig.

Everton has no real long-term recruitment strategy; they just chuck money at a couple of names so the fans stop moaning and go back into their box. I like Lampard but you'd think Everton had brought in Klopp the way their fans are reacting. That club is seriously delusional when it comes to understanding its own importance (or the lack thereof). In six months' time Everton'll be having the same predictable post-mortem about where it went wrong with everyone pointing fingers at everyone else. We may not be a bigger club than Everton but for damn sure we're a better run one.

 


Sydenham by birth. Selhurst by the Grace of God.

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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 03 Feb 22 12.01pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

We may not be a bigger club than Everton but for damn sure we're a better run one.

Yep, agree with you on this Syd.

 


Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

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