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View sydtheeagle's Profile sydtheeagle Flag England 26 Jan 22 11.44am Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE

Yes from me

Eze needs more time so loan this bloke in for the time being

I'm going to get slaughtered for this but the worst thing in the world might be getting in VdB for the rest of the season for all the reasons others have mentioned on this thread and letting Eze go out on loan to a top Championship side to regain his fitness and form. He's come off a serious injury, one that it often takes three- to six months to fully recover from and get back to pace (and we've all seen he's not really all that close to the "real Eze" in the past few weeks). Playing 90 minutes every week somewhere like QPR for the rest of the season might be far better for both Palace and Ebs in the long-term, then getting him back firing on all cylinders in the summer, than would be 10-15 minutes here and there off the bench for the rest of the season (and he's clearly not up to 90 minutes in the Prem right now). If we have a ready-made replacement in VdB then everyone wins; Ebs builds himself back up more quickly; we get Ebs back in top shape for next season, and VdB gets a shop window with a point to prove for whatever happens next in his career. I don't see a downside.

 


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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag 26 Jan 22 11.53am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

I'm going to get slaughtered for this but the worst thing in the world might be getting in VdB for the rest of the season for all the reasons others have mentioned on this thread and letting Eze go out on loan to a top Championship side to regain his fitness and form. He's come off a serious injury, one that it often takes three- to six months to fully recover from and get back to pace (and we've all seen he's not really all that close to the "real Eze" in the past few weeks). Playing 90 minutes every week somewhere like QPR for the rest of the season might be far better for both Palace and Ebs in the long-term, then getting him back firing on all cylinders in the summer, than would be 10-15 minutes here and there off the bench for the rest of the season (and he's clearly not up to 90 minutes in the Prem right now). If we have a ready-made replacement in VdB then everyone wins; Ebs builds himself back up more quickly; we get Ebs back in top shape for next season, and VdB gets a shop window with a point to prove for whatever happens next in his career. I don't see a downside.

I have mixed opinions on whether the DvdB deal is worthwhile, but you don't send one of your best players on loan to a Championship club. If he's not fit enough for us then he's not fit for anyone else, plus you lose the ability to control his recovery. I often agree with your opinions, but this one is plain wrong in my view.

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 26 Jan 22 11.54am Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

I'm going to get slaughtered for this but the worst thing in the world might be getting in VdB for the rest of the season for all the reasons others have mentioned on this thread and letting Eze go out on loan to a top Championship side to regain his fitness and form. He's come off a serious injury, one that it often takes three- to six months to fully recover from and get back to pace (and we've all seen he's not really all that close to the "real Eze" in the past few weeks). Playing 90 minutes every week somewhere like QPR for the rest of the season might be far better for both Palace and Ebs in the long-term, then getting him back firing on all cylinders in the summer, than would be 10-15 minutes here and there off the bench for the rest of the season (and he's clearly not up to 90 minutes in the Prem right now). If we have a ready-made replacement in VdB then everyone wins; Ebs builds himself back up more quickly; we get Ebs back in top shape for next season, and VdB gets a shop window with a point to prove for whatever happens next in his career. I don't see a downside.


I was confused by your opening sentence until I realized you meant that it WOULDN'T be the worst thing in the world etc...

I suppose it's a question of how this would be put to Eze AND whether any Championship club would take him in order to rehabilitate him for our benefit. Personally, I don't see it happening (but I would like to see van De Beek here.

Edited by doombear (26 Jan 2022 11.55am)

 

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View sydtheeagle's Profile sydtheeagle Flag England 26 Jan 22 12.47pm Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

Originally posted by doombear

I was confused by your opening sentence until I realized you meant that it WOULDN'T be the worst thing in the world etc...

I suppose it's a question of how this would be put to Eze AND whether any Championship club would take him in order to rehabilitate him for our benefit. Personally, I don't see it happening (but I would like to see van De Beek here.

Edited by doombear (26 Jan 2022 11.55am)

I would think (just a guess) that QPR, on the fringes of and pressing for promotion and where Eze is rightly a legend would grab the opportunity to take him back for the rest of the season with open arms. Let's be honest, if he regains form in the Championship, puts QPR over the top and they go up, they benefit just as much as us and they may well see it as a no-risk proposition because of that.

I'm not saying I want this to happen; I'm just trying to take an objective view of the situation and I can see an argument that it'd be a good thing. This is the key; I think too many people here and elswhere do little but argue their own opinion. Sometimes you have to go beyond what you think and consider the alternatives. Bringing in VdB and loaning out Eze, both for the rest of the season only, is an idea that is not without merit. That is not to say I think we should do it; simply that there's enough upside to make it worth considering.

Edited by sydtheeagle (26 Jan 2022 12.48pm)

 


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View Mathers's Profile Mathers Flag 26 Jan 22 7.07pm Send a Private Message to Mathers Add Mathers as a friend

Very mixed opinions on this deal. He is obviously a quality player who’s been wrecked by Utd (plenty of them so won’t hold it against him). I just can’t see where he fits into a midfield 3. I think his desire to get forward will clash with Gallagher and leave our holding midfielder with too much to cover. We desperately need a dominant destroyer like Kouyate but 10 years younger. Gravenbach/ Alvarez at Ajax or Kamara at Marseille would be lovely but would cost £20m minimum.

 

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View steven_t92's Profile steven_t92 Flag Orpington 26 Jan 22 10.54pm Send a Private Message to steven_t92 Add steven_t92 as a friend

Originally posted by Mathers

Very mixed opinions on this deal. He is obviously a quality player who’s been wrecked by Utd (plenty of them so won’t hold it against him). I just can’t see where he fits into a midfield 3. I think his desire to get forward will clash with Gallagher and leave our holding midfielder with too much to cover. We desperately need a dominant destroyer like Kouyate but 10 years younger. Gravenbach/ Alvarez at Ajax or Kamara at Marseille would be lovely but would cost £20m minimum.

At the moment with afcon on, we're playing Hughes Gallagher and schlupp right? Schlupp is far from the enforcer we definatly need, I think kouyate is that player, but van de beek offers a better option for schlupps roll. An improvement even though its maybe not suited to how we could probably be tactically stronger.

 

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View Mathers's Profile Mathers Flag 26 Jan 22 11.30pm Send a Private Message to Mathers Add Mathers as a friend

Originally posted by steven_t92

At the moment with afcon on, we're playing Hughes Gallagher and schlupp right? Schlupp is far from the enforcer we definatly need, I think kouyate is that player, but van de beek offers a better option for schlupps roll. An improvement even though its maybe not suited to how we could probably be tactically stronger.

Hughes has been asked to be CDM since start of AFCON. Clearly not his favoured position and we’ve been dominated in midfield by Brighton, Liverpool and, for 45mins, Millwall. Gallagher is undoubtedly the attacking mid, kouyate the holder and then it’d be one of VDB, Hughes, Jimmy Mac and Schlupp.

Wouldn’t be unhappy with VDB on loan but I really don’t think it’s a position that we are desperate to fill unlike RB..

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 26 Jan 22 11.56pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Mathers

Hughes has been asked to be CDM since start of AFCON. Clearly not his favoured position and we’ve been dominated in midfield by Brighton, Liverpool and, for 45mins, Millwall. Gallagher is undoubtedly the attacking mid, kouyate the holder and then it’d be one of VDB, Hughes, Jimmy Mac and Schlupp.

Wouldn’t be unhappy with VDB on loan but I really don’t think it’s a position that we are desperate to fill unlike RB..

We have deployed Edouard out wide on the left,but Zaha also plays in this position.Eze has been played in this position but I don't view him as a wide player , he is far more effective playing more centrally, perhaps in a No 10 role.
The conundrum is fitting the players into the team, what shape to deploy etc etc.
If we deployed two attacking full-backs this would give us a different attacking dimension.

Finally, I agree with you about the right-back position which is becoming more concerning.

Edited by Willo (27 Jan 2022 12.05am)

 

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View viveasheagle's Profile viveasheagle Flag perth 27 Jan 22 3.37am Send a Private Message to viveasheagle Add viveasheagle as a friend

Originally posted by slubglurge

I wonder if the fact that we are in for him means the prognosis on Macca is not good and could be out long term

I am with you and see the possible loan signing as cover / replacement for Macca rather than for Eze. Since Macca has been out we have not been as fluid in our passing game.

 

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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 27 Jan 22 9.27am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

The thing for me is options. And Ideally having enough decent options that if we have some injuries we are not forced to play Luka/Jiro/Jeff in CM.

DvdB was a serious talent a year or so back, it would be madness not to have a look at him. If he does what Lingard did for WH last season (also keeping new signing Benrahma out of the team) that would be good thing. Who knows if he has a great end to the season he might want to stay.

For the first time in a long time we options in the forward positions (losing Wilf and Ayew to AFCON hasn't killed us). To be a top team we need to have options everywhere, so we shouldn't shy away from signing players as it might hold back Eze (as much as I love the guy).

Connor is not an out and out Attacking Mid e.g. he is not a 10. He's a box-box player that has that Lampard ability to get in the right place at the right time. Donny is similar, but potentially a bit more of a playmaker.

I don't see why you couldn't play him and DvdB together. They would of course need to develop a relationship and the holding player would need to be more disciplined.

Eze will need to be eased back into the fold in the right moments in the right games.

Macca unfortunately is coming to the end, we might get another 5-10 games out of him this season, but I doubt it would be much more.

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 27 Jan 22 10.11am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by steven_t92

At the moment with afcon on, we're playing Hughes Gallagher and schlupp right? Schlupp is far from the enforcer we definatly need, I think kouyate is that player, but van de beek offers a better option for schlupps roll. An improvement even though its maybe not suited to how we could probably be tactically stronger.

I agree which makes Senegal's progress at AFCON all the more irritating.

Wilf back for next match though...

 

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View DANGERCLOSE's Profile DANGERCLOSE Flag london 27 Jan 22 10.37am Send a Private Message to DANGERCLOSE Add DANGERCLOSE as a friend

Originally posted by steven_t92

At the moment with afcon on, we're playing Hughes Gallagher and schlupp right? Schlupp is far from the enforcer we definatly need, I think kouyate is that player, but van de beek offers a better option for schlupps roll. An improvement even though its maybe not suited to how we could probably be tactically stronger.

Schlupp is a left back come left winger so would defo put someone else in there, its a bit strange?

 

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