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5 Substitutions - Good Idea or Bad Idea?

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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 31 Mar 22 9.20am Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

It seems that a ruling will be made today in a PL stakeholder's meeting for PL clubs to be allowed 5 subs in a match from next season.

I'm not sure where I sit on this yet, although there is no doubt our game is so much more physical and demanding than in Johnny Byrne's day. And there is a view that we see more hamstring strains these days.

The main issue with this ruling, assuming it's ratified today, is that it will inevitably favour the big clubs with very strong squads. I reckon too, that we'll see far more time wasting subs towards the end of games with the inevitable break in the flow of play.

It'll be interesting to see what you think.

 


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View cROYdonrogers's Profile cROYdonrogers Flag Leamington Spa 31 Mar 22 9.28am Send a Private Message to cROYdonrogers Add cROYdonrogers as a friend

I'm thinking more time wasting, over and above the obvious 'favours bigger clubs'

 

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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 31 Mar 22 10.04am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

I cant claim to know all the sports science based reasons, but I just cant imagine many teams needing or wanting to make 5 subs very often.


5 just feels like replacing half the team vs freshening up / trying something different tactically

 

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View HeathMan's Profile HeathMan Flag Purley 31 Mar 22 10.24am Send a Private Message to HeathMan Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add HeathMan as a friend

It may encourage rotational fouling. Three subs to get fresh legs onto pitch when needed; added two to prevent a second yellow card. Could have a bad effect on skillful players, who may find themselves in more physical games. will the quantity on the bench also increase?

 

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View Dubai Eagle's Profile Dubai Eagle Flag 31 Mar 22 10.39am Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

Obviously favours the bigger clubs with more superstars in their squads, but I feel that this is hand in hand with the whole "more games" scenario - this concession has been put forward as an answer to the congested fixture list which in itself is all well & good but I cant help feeling that once the agreement for 5 subs is reached, more games / even tighter scheduling will follow to provide more sellable TV slots & income.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 31 Mar 22 11.10am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend


Why not go the same way as American football and introduce Special Teams? Bring on a specialist penalty/free kick taker, a couple of 7 footers to defend corners and someone whose only talent is hurling a throw in 75 yards.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 31 Mar 22 11.18am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Rarely does a team even use 3 subs for the true reasons - injuries or tactical lchanges. It’s usually 2 at the most. A 3rd doesn’t happen unless it’s for time wasting or for squad harmony. However, maybe it’s also to keep one in case you get an injury and aren’t left with 10 on the pitch. Maybe some will start using 4? If you play a high press and/or wing backs etc then you could use 2 like for like subs every week before using another 2 for injuries and tactical decisions. It won’t be long before 22 or 25 are on the bench. That will favour the big teams even more.

 


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View Dubai Eagle's Profile Dubai Eagle Flag 31 Mar 22 11.27am Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

We could bring on Scott Banks to take free kicks around the box.

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle


Why not go the same way as American football and introduce Special Teams? Bring on a specialist penalty/free kick taker, a couple of 7 footers to defend corners and someone whose only talent is hurling a throw in 75 yards.

 

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View Charlie Croker's Profile Charlie Croker Flag Hampshire 31 Mar 22 3.02pm Send a Private Message to Charlie Croker Add Charlie Croker as a friend

Originally posted by cROYdonrogers

I'm thinking more time wasting, over and above the obvious 'favours bigger clubs'

"The substitutions can be made on three occasions during a match, plus at half-time, and a total of nine substitutes can be named on the teamsheet."

So in theory no more time really than the 3 subs that could be made now, although I guess getting 2 or more players on at once adds a few seconds. Probably no more than we - and others - have been guilty of on goal kicks/free kicks/throw ins etc.

 


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deleted 25 Flag 31 Mar 22 3.33pm

Originally posted by cROYdonrogers

I'm thinking more time wasting, over and above the obvious 'favours bigger clubs'

Think the way to counter that would be only one sub after the 80th minute, otherwise a team could potentially waste a lot of time at the end of
matches

 

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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 31 Mar 22 3.35pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Here's the Beeb's release on this rule change.

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 31 Mar 22 7.24pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Croydon Roy used to bring the subs in the 89th minute.

5 subs will be bad for cynical fouling and bad for smaller clubs. It will also prolong the career of Messi type individuals...in the sunset of their career and not got the legs to play many minutes.

good for older player, bad for young upcoming talent.

 


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