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Eaglehamster Storrington 19 Apr 22 11.43am
I don't know if this topic has died down but it could be that action will be required at some point. I've yet to see it mentioned but I see a big difference in a glancing or angled header than a header from a high, long ball directed straight back in the direction from which it came. The greater impact of the latter seems obvious and I do indeed wince when I see such a header. I think an initial step should not involve a rule change but a directive from the FA to all levels of the game, strongly advising players to avoid such headers (which, let's face it, more often than not go straight to an opponent). It may not be an ideal solution but it'd be a start and if adopted would be preferable to a rule change which would bring forth a whole raft of problems. I have now sufficient funds to last me the rest of my life. Provided I don't buy anything.
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Storrington 19 Apr 22 11.43am

I don't know if this topic has died down but it could be that action will be required at some point.

I've yet to see it mentioned but I see a big difference in a glancing or angled header than a header from a high, long ball directed straight back in the direction from which it came.

The greater impact of the latter seems obvious and I do indeed wince when I see such a header.

I think an initial step should not involve a rule change but a directive from the FA to all levels of the game, strongly advising players to avoid such headers (which, let's face it, more often than not go straight to an opponent).

It may not be an ideal solution but it'd be a start and if adopted would be preferable to a rule change which would bring forth a whole raft of problems.

I have now sufficient funds to last me the rest of my life. Provided I don't buy anything.

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Pete53 Hassocks 20 Apr 22 11.59am
A lot of ex-pros do seem to be developing dementia. However, is the rate higher than in the broader population? Has an in depth study been carried out across the population of former players? Probably not an easy set of statistics to collate.
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Hassocks 20 Apr 22 11.59am

A lot of ex-pros do seem to be developing dementia. However, is the rate higher than in the broader population? Has an in depth study been carried out across the population of former players? Probably not an easy set of statistics to collate.

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becky over the moon 21 Apr 22 12.52pm
Originally posted by Pete53 A lot of ex-pros do seem to be developing dementia. However, is the rate higher than in the broader population? Has an in depth study been carried out across the population of former players? Probably not an easy set of statistics to collate. Glasgow Uni has done research on the matter - as reported here by Alzheimers UK [Link] A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 21 Apr 22 12.52pm

Originally posted by Pete53

Glasgow Uni has done research on the matter - as reported here by Alzheimers UK

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A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 24 Apr 22 1.34pm
I'm sure a lot of you are familiar with research projects, and their problems. You need a baseline study group of people who don't play football for comparison. Then the issues spiral somewhat until you are left with not very reliable data. Particularly when the injury is caused over a prolonged period of time, or may not even be diagnosed until many years after participation has long since ceased. But the upshot being, is is not a good idea to take deliberate bangs to the head. This includes (but not restricted to) activities, such as boxing and headbanging at heavy metal concerts,..and heading a football. Accidental but significant brain injuries also occur in activities, such as horseriding, and motorbike riding, but these are fairly instantaneous and causation is not in doubt. "The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak
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I'm sure a lot of you are familiar with research projects, and their problems.
You need a baseline study group of people who don't play football for comparison. Then the issues spiral somewhat until you are left with not very reliable data. Particularly when the injury is caused over a prolonged period of time, or may not even be diagnosed until many years after participation has long since ceased.

But the upshot being, is is not a good idea to take deliberate bangs to the head.
This includes (but not restricted to) activities, such as boxing and headbanging at heavy metal concerts,..and heading a football.

Accidental but significant brain injuries also occur in activities, such as horseriding, and motorbike riding, but these are fairly instantaneous and causation is not in doubt.

"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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Elpis In a pub 24 Apr 22 5.35pm
I think the possible/probable issues with the effects of heading the ball will naturally diminish in the modern game . Lighter balls ,todays players are not heading soaking wet bags of leather past players had to Junior football is now generally small sided games with little or no heading Possession based football which is the trend doesn't see much heading All in all its not as much a problem it was And we still need a striker
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In a pub 24 Apr 22 5.35pm

I think the possible/probable issues with the effects of heading the ball will naturally diminish in the modern game .

Lighter balls ,todays players are not heading soaking wet bags of leather past players had to
Junior football is now generally small sided games with little or no heading
Possession based football which is the trend doesn't see much heading

All in all its not as much a problem it was

And we still need a striker

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YT Oxford 24 Apr 22 7.16pm
Originally posted by Eaglehamster I don't know if this topic has died down but it could be that action will be required at some point. I've yet to see it mentioned but I see a big difference in a glancing or angled header than a header from a high, long ball directed straight back in the direction from which it came. The greater impact of the latter seems obvious and I do indeed wince when I see such a header. I think an initial step should not involve a rule change but a directive from the FA to all levels of the game, strongly advising players to avoid such headers (which, let's face it, more often than not go straight to an opponent). It may not be an ideal solution but it'd be a start and if adopted would be preferable to a rule change which would bring forth a whole raft of problems. I can just imagine the fans' reaction when a centre-back, following the directive, chooses not to challenge for a high ball, leaving the striker to nip clean through on goal. "He did it for his own safety" they will say, as the opposition celebrates the goal with hands cupped to ears etc. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Originally posted by Eaglehamster

I don't know if this topic has died down but it could be that action will be required at some point.

I've yet to see it mentioned but I see a big difference in a glancing or angled header than a header from a high, long ball directed straight back in the direction from which it came.

The greater impact of the latter seems obvious and I do indeed wince when I see such a header.

It may not be an ideal solution but it'd be a start and if adopted would be preferable to a rule change which would bring forth a whole raft of problems.

I can just imagine the fans' reaction when a centre-back, following the directive, chooses not to challenge for a high ball, leaving the striker to nip clean through on goal. "He did it for his own safety" they will say, as the opposition celebrates the goal with hands cupped to ears etc.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

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