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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 23 Jul 22 8.50pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by aashman12

Can't happen that soon, need to give 12 months notice to the houses we need to take over.

On paper maybe, but not necessarily in practice.

 

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 23 Jul 22 11.45pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Interesting statement from the club, confirming that which many of us had deduced already - that they got worried about such a big investment, especially in light of covid, and put the breaks on the new stand, focusing instead on the training ground and academy.

The statement puts to bed the ideas that the council, mayor of London, or sainsburys are to blame for the lack of progress.

Anyone paying even the slightest attention would have known that the council has been extremely supportive and that the terms of the legal agreement were not only perfectly reasonable, but also far from insurmountable if the club had the will. The mayor had nothing much to say and very little to do with the process ultimately anyway. Whether the previous comments from Parish suggesting sainsburys were asking for an unreasonable fee for their bit of land were genuine or part of a bartering tactic is unclear, but given the apparent willingness of Croydon Council to use CPO powers if necessary, any notion that a disagreement over price could scupper the project can be laid to rest.

The stand isn't built because the club didn't want to risk building it yet, simple as that. I'm sure the slightly greater clarity around brexit, the presence of John Textor at the club, the semi-resolution around covid and the European super league being headed off have all helped reassure the board that the club can afford this debt, but for me there is an even more important factor which I'm sure Parish leans on more than any other: the transition from a reliable but aged squad with very little resale value to a young squad we can cash in on if needs be has taken place far more seamlessly and successfully than anyone could've hoped.

If it came to it, we could sell Mitchell, Olise, Eze and Guéhi and pay the stand debt off with ease. We've never had more paper profit on the pitch before.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 24 Jul 22 6.25am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

Interesting statement from the club, confirming that which many of us had deduced already - that they got worried about such a big investment, especially in light of covid, and put the breaks on the new stand, focusing instead on the training ground and academy.

The statement puts to bed the ideas that the council, mayor of London, or sainsburys are to blame for the lack of progress.

Anyone paying even the slightest attention would have known that the council has been extremely supportive and that the terms of the legal agreement were not only perfectly reasonable, but also far from insurmountable if the club had the will. The mayor had nothing much to say and very little to do with the process ultimately anyway. Whether the previous comments from Parish suggesting sainsburys were asking for an unreasonable fee for their bit of land were genuine or part of a bartering tactic is unclear, but given the apparent willingness of Croydon Council to use CPO powers if necessary, any notion that a disagreement over price could scupper the project can be laid to rest.

The stand isn't built because the club didn't want to risk building it yet, simple as that. I'm sure the slightly greater clarity around brexit, the presence of John Textor at the club, the semi-resolution around covid and the European super league being headed off have all helped reassure the board that the club can afford this debt, but for me there is an even more important factor which I'm sure Parish leans on more than any other: the transition from a reliable but aged squad with very little resale value to a young squad we can cash in on if needs be has taken place far more seamlessly and successfully than anyone could've hoped.

If it came to it, we could sell Mitchell, Olise, Eze and Guéhi and pay the stand debt off with ease. We've never had more paper profit on the pitch before.

Thanks for this insightful post. However is there still not the issue of the houses in Woodersen Close?

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 24 Jul 22 8.12am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

Interesting statement from the club, confirming that which many of us had deduced already - that they got worried about such a big investment, especially in light of covid, and put the breaks on the new stand, focusing instead on the training ground and academy.

The statement puts to bed the ideas that the council, mayor of London, or sainsburys are to blame for the lack of progress.

Anyone paying even the slightest attention would have known that the council has been extremely supportive and that the terms of the legal agreement were not only perfectly reasonable, but also far from insurmountable if the club had the will. The mayor had nothing much to say and very little to do with the process ultimately anyway. Whether the previous comments from Parish suggesting sainsburys were asking for an unreasonable fee for their bit of land were genuine or part of a bartering tactic is unclear, but given the apparent willingness of Croydon Council to use CPO powers if necessary, any notion that a disagreement over price could scupper the project can be laid to rest.

The stand isn't built because the club didn't want to risk building it yet, simple as that. I'm sure the slightly greater clarity around brexit, the presence of John Textor at the club, the semi-resolution around covid and the European super league being headed off have all helped reassure the board that the club can afford this debt, but for me there is an even more important factor which I'm sure Parish leans on more than any other: the transition from a reliable but aged squad with very little resale value to a young squad we can cash in on if needs be has taken place far more seamlessly and successfully than anyone could've hoped.

If it came to it, we could sell Mitchell, Olise, Eze and Guéhi and pay the stand debt off with ease. We've never had more paper profit on the pitch before.


If this were the case fans would be watching Championship football from the shiny new stand.

 

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 24 Jul 22 12.53pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Thanks for this insightful post. However is there still not the issue of the houses in Woodersen Close?

That comes into the category of 'far from insurmountable if the club has the will'. Croydon Council owns the houses and is happy for cpfc to demolish them, subject to six (new build) replacements somewhere in the Borough. If the club were fully focused on building the stand they'd find land for six houses pretty quickly, even if they had to buy undeveloped plots from developers at a premium. At the very least a land agent could be set to work on finding suitable plots - the six new houses don't have to be built side by side. Pick up a couple of larger houses with big back gardens and you're halfway there already.

The slow pace of movement on this issue was the biggest indicator that the club didn't want to attack the new stand immediately. Its just not such a difficult thing to achieve, especially once the council so quickly presented an open goal.

 

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 24 Jul 22 12.55pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill


If this were the case fans would be watching Championship football from the shiny new stand.

Possibly, but Parish wouldn't have to choose between having the stand and still having a club, which may well have been the case in the absence of such profitable assets on the pitch, as was the case over the last few years before last summer.

 

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View Terry Ven's Profile Terry Ven Flag 24 Jul 22 8.52pm Send a Private Message to Terry Ven Add Terry Ven as a friend

It still makes my piss boil every time I see a picture of that over-designed fantasy stand that doesn't fit in with any other aspect of SP and is of no benefit to the majority of fans. Scale-back the naff American 1980s shopping-mall architecture and build us a 2 tier stand that compliments the Holmesdale and doesn't risk bankrupting the club again! Jeezus!

 

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 25 Jul 22 9.06am Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by Terry Ven

It still makes my piss boil every time I see a picture of that over-designed fantasy stand that doesn't fit in with any other aspect of SP and is of no benefit to the majority of fans. Scale-back the naff American 1980s shopping-mall architecture and build us a 2 tier stand that compliments the Holmesdale and doesn't risk bankrupting the club again! Jeezus!

Apparently the external style is a nod to the original crystal palace building, which I can't quite see myself but there you go.

The top tier of the new stand slopes downwards at either end (rather than having full top corners like the holmesdale) because the footprint of the building is semicircular rather than rectangular. I would imagine this is so as to keep the distance between the stand and the remaining houses in Wooderson close to acceptable levels, and to reduce the amount of land we need from sainsburys at the other end.

I agree that it would be good to have the new main stand replicate the holmesdale. The club tried to do exactly that in the mid 90s, shortly after the holmesdale was built, but couldn't get permission due to the impact of such a large building on the houses in Wooderson Close (the idea that we could buy the houses and flatten them just to overcome a planning issue was unthinkable back then).

That attempt to get permission to redevelop the main stand in the 90s is interesting. In the end Palace got permission for a new main stand to perfectly mirror the holmesdale, but the footprint of the stand stopped level with the edge of the penalty area. It was never built of course, but whether that was because it would have been a dogs dinner, or because we got relegated, or because of the amount of land we'd have needed from sainsburys is unknown to me, but as far as I know that's as close as we ever got to replicating the holmesdale in a new main stand, despite Ron Noades at one stage having aspirations to do something like that, based on the infamous architects model that took pride of place in the reception area at the time.

The pattern of housing development and land ownership locally will make it inevitable that we will always have four stands of distinct style and shape.

Edited by TheBigToePunt (25 Jul 2022 9.08am)

 

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View Terry Ven's Profile Terry Ven Flag 26 Jul 22 12.25pm Send a Private Message to Terry Ven Add Terry Ven as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

Apparently the external style is a nod to the original crystal palace building, which I can't quite see myself but there you go.

The top tier of the new stand slopes downwards at either end (rather than having full top corners like the holmesdale) because the footprint of the building is semicircular rather than rectangular. I would imagine this is so as to keep the distance between the stand and the remaining houses in Wooderson close to acceptable levels, and to reduce the amount of land we need from sainsburys at the other end.

I agree that it would be good to have the new main stand replicate the holmesdale. The club tried to do exactly that in the mid 90s, shortly after the holmesdale was built, but couldn't get permission due to the impact of such a large building on the houses in Wooderson Close (the idea that we could buy the houses and flatten them just to overcome a planning issue was unthinkable back then).

That attempt to get permission to redevelop the main stand in the 90s is interesting. In the end Palace got permission for a new main stand to perfectly mirror the holmesdale, but the footprint of the stand stopped level with the edge of the penalty area. It was never built of course, but whether that was because it would have been a dogs dinner, or because we got relegated, or because of the amount of land we'd have needed from sainsburys is unknown to me, but as far as I know that's as close as we ever got to replicating the holmesdale in a new main stand, despite Ron Noades at one stage having aspirations to do something like that, based on the infamous architects model that took pride of place in the reception area at the time.

The pattern of housing development and land ownership locally will make it inevitable that we will always have four stands of distinct style and shape.

Edited by TheBigToePunt (25 Jul 2022 9.08am)

Interesting comments but I still fail to see why a new stand can't mirror the style of the Holmesdale without increasing the current footprint of the old stand. Make it two tiers with modern facilities and the job is done.

 

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View Chubskip's Profile Chubskip Flag 26 Jul 22 4.09pm Send a Private Message to Chubskip Add Chubskip as a friend

If it were me, and it’s not I would buy the houses demolish them and rebuild in the borough. Compensate the tenants, job done move on. What if? Americans involved, they do love a statement stadium, what if they are trying to find land to build a new stadium? I know our home is Selhurst but it hasn’t hurt the enemy and infact I’m a little envious of the stadium and being out of town it is quite easy to get too. Just a thought but a 40k purpose built stadium would be special.

 

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View Downeagle's Profile Downeagle Flag Castlewellan 26 Jul 22 9.46pm Send a Private Message to Downeagle Add Downeagle as a friend

Redeveloping Selhurst will always have limitations and prove contentious however well the planners are. I will always dream about Crystal Palace Park and despite the drawbacks of neighbours and infrastructure whilst it and the sports centre remain in disrepair and along with this 1861 resurgence a nod in this direction however tenuous may offer a pipe dream. Times do change.

 


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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

Interesting statement from the club, confirming that which many of us had deduced already - that they got worried about such a big investment, especially in light of covid, and put the breaks on the new stand, focusing instead on the training ground and academy.

The statement puts to bed the ideas that the council, mayor of London, or sainsburys are to blame for the lack of progress.

Anyone paying even the slightest attention would have known that the council has been extremely supportive and that the terms of the legal agreement were not only perfectly reasonable, but also far from insurmountable if the club had the will. The mayor had nothing much to say and very little to do with the process ultimately anyway. Whether the previous comments from Parish suggesting sainsburys were asking for an unreasonable fee for their bit of land were genuine or part of a bartering tactic is unclear, but given the apparent willingness of Croydon Council to use CPO powers if necessary, any notion that a disagreement over price could scupper the project can be laid to rest.

The stand isn't built because the club didn't want to risk building it yet, simple as that. I'm sure the slightly greater clarity around brexit, the presence of John Textor at the club, the semi-resolution around covid and the European super league being headed off have all helped reassure the board that the club can afford this debt, but for me there is an even more important factor which I'm sure Parish leans on more than any other: the transition from a reliable but aged squad with very little resale value to a young squad we can cash in on if needs be has taken place far more seamlessly and successfully than anyone could've hoped.

If it came to it, we could sell Mitchell, Olise, Eze and Guéhi and pay the stand debt off with ease. We've never had more paper profit on the pitch before.

Ya think? Many of our players cost a pretty penny and Eze is about to enter the 3rd year of his contract with us. Is he worth that much more than we paid? I'm not sure.

 


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