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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 28 Sep 22 2.51pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I'm fifty next birthday, and assume I'll never see it either. We're both Scorpios.

At approaching 50,you are a mere stripling, I am an aged duffer.
I am a Sagittarian.

Edited by Willo (28 Sep 2022 3.00pm)

 

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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag London 28 Sep 22 3.51pm Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

There seems to be a lot of negativity towards CPNP. Have we forgotten that until recently it was our National Sports Centre. Yet our only attempt to do something there was a half hearted approach that didnít even get to the planning stage some twelve years ago. We werenít even premier then!
Given the growth of football and Palace with some serious lobbying through the right channels, offering fantastic new sports faculties and much more for the local community including shopping centre etc etc. I believe it would be taken very seriously. The local NIMBYS canít refuse what is an existing facility being re shaped. Especially if we got the ODPM behind it and the Mayor of London.
Just seems everyone has blown it out without professionally testing it in recent times.

Edited by dreamwaverider (28 Sep 2022 4.07pm)

 

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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag London 28 Sep 22 3.55pm Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

There seems to be a lot of negativity towards CPNP. Have we forgotten that until recently it was our National Sports Centre. Yet our only attempt to do something there was a half hearted approach that didnít even get to the planning stage some twenty years ago. We werenít even premier then!
Given the growth of football and Palace with some serious lobbying through the right channels, offering fantastic new sports faculties and much more for the local community including shopping centre etc etc. I believe it would be taken very seriously. The local NIMBYS canít refuse what is an existing facility being re shaped. Especially if we got the ODPM behind it and the Mayor of London.
Just seems everyone has blown it out without professionally testing it in recent times.


Evidently it still is our National Sports Centre! What a tired out dump.

 

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View orpingtoneagle's Profile orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 28 Sep 22 4.06pm Send a Private Message to orpingtoneagle Add orpingtoneagle as a friend

I feel quite conflicted on this. On the one hand we have one stand at SP which is well past it's sell by date and as it is is made in part from wood possibly a fire hazard, but three other stands that are ok. Not great just ok.

There is talk of moving to a new ground, but my concern is that may come with an out of town site that is pretty hard to get to and pretty grim when you get there.

Look at Coventry (possibly the first 'new' ground?) Reading l,Bolton, Huddersfield all nice looking modern grounds but a bugger to get to and from on public transport and nowhere to go for a pint after the game

Unless we can do an Arsenal, Spurs or even a Brentford, will it be any better?.

I can't see Crystal Palace Park as an option as that was impossible to to get to when it hosted major athletics or concerts way back and I can't see how you would enhance public transport to solve that.

I would also not want to to see us move to the M25 fringes as it ain't sarf London

Not sure what will happen but know it won't happen soon

 

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View JRW2's Profile JRW2 Flag Dulwich 28 Sep 22 4.52pm Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

There seems to be a lot of negativity towards CPNP. Have we forgotten that until recently it was our National Sports Centre. Yet our only attempt to do something there was a half hearted approach that didnít even get to the planning stage some twelve years ago. We werenít even premier then!
Given the growth of football and Palace with some serious lobbying through the right channels, offering fantastic new sports faculties and much more for the local community including shopping centre etc etc. I believe it would be taken very seriously. The local NIMBYS canít refuse what is an existing facility being re shaped. Especially if we got the ODPM behind it and the Mayor of London.
Just seems everyone has blown it out without professionally testing it in recent times.

Edited by dreamwaverider (28 Sep 2022 4.07pm)

I fear that they can, though I don't see why. When SP was built, far more householders faced being invaded by football crowds than would be the case with the National Sports Centre, which is bounded by a bus terminal, Crystal Palace station, Crystal Palace Park and - the only residential area involved - Crystal Palace Park Road. The transport links are fantastic (and would have been even better if Crystal Palace High Level station hadn't been closed in 1954!).

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 28 Sep 22 5.02pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

A move to the National Sports Centre would entail a complete stadium development, and of course the cost would be far in excess of the £100 Mill figure that is currently reported for the main stand project at Selhurst Park.

I do not believe there is any appetite for abandoning the current proposal in favour of a full-scale development of a new stadium.

 

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View orpingtoneagle's Profile orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 28 Sep 22 7.52pm Send a Private Message to orpingtoneagle Add orpingtoneagle as a friend

Originally posted by JRW2

I fear that they can, though I don't see why. When SP was built, far more householders faced being invaded by football crowds than would be the case with the National Sports Centre, which is bounded by a bus terminal, Crystal Palace station, Crystal Palace Park and - the only residential area involved - Crystal Palace Park Road. The transport links are fantastic (and would have been even better if Crystal Palace High Level station hadn't been closed in 1954!).

I'm sorry but I don't agree the transport links are fantastic. One suburban train station and buses that get caught up on the always congested streets around the area. I have bitter memories of attending the centre on weekday evenings and weekends to take my daughter to play netball. Desolate and always took ages.

One thing Selhurst does have is decent transport connections.

 

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 29 Sep 22 3.54am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

In the meantime can we perhaps make having a pi$$ in the AW not such a rubbish experience. The stairs down are a nightmare.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 29 Sep 22 8.10am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

I'm sorry but I don't agree the transport links are fantastic. One suburban train station and buses that get caught up on the always congested streets around the area. I have bitter memories of attending the centre on weekday evenings and weekends to take my daughter to play netball. Desolate and always took ages.

One thing Selhurst does have is decent transport connections.

Before Sad Khan bankrupted TFL there were plans to extend the Bakerloo line from the Elephant to Crystal Palace. This is on hold unless a rich PL club comes along and agrees to fund it.

TFL and Sad Khan will likely make this a requirement we don't have that money so it would need the government to chip in.

 


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View palace99's Profile palace99 Flag New Mills 29 Sep 22 11.43am Send a Private Message to palace99 Add palace99 as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Before Sad Khan bankrupted TFL there were plans to extend the Bakerloo line from the Elephant to Crystal Palace. This is on hold unless a rich PL club comes along and agrees to fund it.

TFL and Sad Khan will likely make this a requirement we don't have that money so it would need the government to chip in.

It is not Khan's fault. Having previously lived 1 mile away from CP Park for 30 years the transport links and roads are terrible. Rush hour is a joke. To get to a Palace evening game i would take a 2 mile detour to avoid the whole area.
The train station is poorly served so whilst closeby could not cope with a football match crowd.
I went to a basketball game at CP once, attendance less than 500 and this caused grid lock getting into the park. Ridiculous.

I would love CP Park as it is the home of the club, however, the roads/transport are not even the biggest issue. The complexity with the councils - Bromley own the park but don't really care, and i think 3 or 4 other councils are impacted (Lambeth, Croydon and Southwark i think). Then there are the locals who are vocal and well organised.

I really think it's a non starter.

 

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View orpingtoneagle's Profile orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 29 Sep 22 12.03pm Send a Private Message to orpingtoneagle Add orpingtoneagle as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

In the meantime can we perhaps make having a pi$$ in the AW not such a rubbish experience. The stairs down are a nightmare.

Life was so much easier when we had terracing behind the goals. No need for such luxuries s a dedicated gents, you either went in situ or round the back of the terracing...

 

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View orpingtoneagle's Profile orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 29 Sep 22 12.04pm Send a Private Message to orpingtoneagle Add orpingtoneagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Before Sad Khan bankrupted TFL there were plans to extend the Bakerloo line from the Elephant to Crystal Palace. This is on hold unless a rich PL club comes along and agrees to fund it.

TFL and Sad Khan will likely make this a requirement we don't have that money so it would need the government to chip in.


There is no way the club could fund that as it would cost billions.

 

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