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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 29 May 22 8.09pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

At the moment there has to be a question mark about the midfield options within our squad.
The virtually ever present Gallagher has returned to Chelsea, there are rumours that both Kouyate and Luka could leave in the summer and the excellent Mcarthur has missed extensive periods of the last two seasons - a situation that is unlikely to improve for the new season.
Luka hasn’t featured much under Vieira so arguably would not be a huge loss but in my view Kouyate would.
If he leaves, we definitely need to replace his physicality and strength with a similar type of player.
We’re linked with Doucoure ( a player I know little about and a gamble) and O’Brien from Huddersfield who looks decent but again is untried at Premier level.
It could be argued there were similar concerns at the end of last season in central defence with the departure of Dann and Cahill and that didn’t work out too bad with the acquisition of Guehi and Anderson .
I suppose the question is whether we can replicate this success in the summer with acquisitions for midfield if the vacancies arise?

 

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I think Doucoure will sign and partner Hughes/Schlupp with Eze in front, Wilf left, Olise right and Mateta or New in the center

 


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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 29 May 22 9.39pm Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

I'd be keen on getting in Doucoure and O’Brien (assuming we can shift Luka and Jairo)

Then I think we start with

Doucoure, Hughes

Eze


With Shluppy, Macca, O’Brien on the bench.

 

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View sprites's Profile sprites Flag Auckland 29 May 22 9.56pm Send a Private Message to sprites Add sprites as a friend

Don't know anything about this Doucoure fella. But one thing we can be sure of is that Dougie is three steps ahead of us and will have been working away in the background.

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 30 May 22 6.02am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

At the moment there has to be a question mark about the midfield options within our squad.
The virtually ever present Gallagher has returned to Chelsea, there are rumours that both Kouyate and Luka could leave in the summer and the excellent Mcarthur has missed extensive periods of the last two seasons - a situation that is unlikely to improve for the new season.
Luka hasn’t featured much under Vieira so arguably would not be a huge loss but in my view Kouyate would.
If he leaves, we definitely need to replace his physicality and strength with a similar type of player.
We’re linked with Doucoure ( a player I know little about and a gamble) and O’Brien from Huddersfield who looks decent but again is untried at Premier level.
It could be argued there were similar concerns at the end of last season in central defence with the departure of Dann and Cahill and that didn’t work out too bad with the acquisition of Guehi and Anderson .
I suppose the question is whether we can replicate this success in the summer with acquisitions for midfield if the vacancies arise?

Good post. I've stressed throughtout the season that the midfield is an area that will need attention, lest we be left with a core of Milo, McArthur, Kouyate, Schlupp, Hughes, and Eze. Excluding Eze, the remainder is bang average, if not mediocre on a bad day...
Depending on who leaves in the summer, we would need at least two players of reasonable ability to make up the difference.
That said, as you mention, the acquisition of Guehi and Andersen turned out well, so I have faith.

 

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View sprites's Profile sprites Flag Auckland 30 May 22 6.18am Send a Private Message to sprites Add sprites as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Good post. I've stressed throughtout the season that the midfield is an area that will need attention, lest we be left with a core of Milo, McArthur, Kouyate, Schlupp, Hughes, and Eze. Excluding Eze, the remainder is bang average, if not mediocre on a bad day...
Depending on who leaves in the summer, we would need at least two players of reasonable ability to make up the difference.
That said, as you mention, the acquisition of Guehi and Andersen turned out well, so I have faith.

Unfair. McArthur is an absolute warrior. Kouyate still very important player at this level and Hughes shows signs he will be too. Schluppy isn't a CM, but has never really let us down there. Can we upgrade them? Sure. And hopefully we can. But to call them bang average is simply not true.

 

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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag 30 May 22 9.27am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Kouyate is a terrible passer of the ball and is awful under pressure, but against better teams he adds defensive steel and can slip seamlessly into the backline. A good squad player, but no longer a starter for me except in games where we won't have much of the ball. The question is can a club our size afford to pay high wages to an ageing squad player? Also, I read we are only offering short-term deals to players over 30. I have a feeling Kouyate might head off to Turkey, which was rumoured last summer.

I like Luka, but he needs to go. Same for Jairo.

Schlupp is a great impact player, but I still don't see him as a starter. I'd be happy to see him get another deal though.

McArthur needs to stay because he is a real leader and still offers a lot on the pitch when fit.

I'd say we're crying out for a box to box midfielder, which it sounds like Doucoure fills this criteria. We also need at least one more experienced midfielder or a top up-and-coming player. The question then is how good are the U23s? Are Boateng, Banks or Wells-Morrison ready to step up and push the seniors?

Personally I think Vieira will want two quality holding midfielders to allow Eze to have more of a free role in front of them.

 

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View Knightstar's Profile Knightstar Flag Guildford 30 May 22 9.50am Send a Private Message to Knightstar Add Knightstar as a friend

I read somewhere that Tuchel is due to meet with Gallagher but isn't yet sure that he wants to keep Gallagher, so there is a possibility that Gallagher may be available. I think he would be a good buy for about £35m which might be about the right price, given his second half of the season wasn't as good as his first half. Let's hope this happens, as I think it would be a good deal for all concerned.

 

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View Mwncisee's Profile Mwncisee Flag Middlesbrough 30 May 22 10.10am Send a Private Message to Mwncisee Add Mwncisee as a friend

I think people are ruling out the most obvious answer that suits everyone. With new owners I think Chelsea will be reluctant to sell Gallagher and we cannot realistically offer enough money to convince them to but will have a gap in our team without him.

Cannot help but think the most realistic compromise is we loan him for another season.

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 30 May 22 11.32am Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Kouyate is a terrible passer of the ball and is awful under pressure, but against better teams he adds defensive steel and can slip seamlessly into the backline. A good squad player, but no longer a starter for me except in games where we won't have much of the ball. The question is can a club our size afford to pay high wages to an ageing squad player? Also, I read we are only offering short-term deals to players over 30. I have a feeling Kouyate might head off to Turkey, which was rumoured last summer.

I like Luka, but he needs to go. Same for Jairo.

Schlupp is a great impact player, but I still don't see him as a starter. I'd be happy to see him get another deal though.

McArthur needs to stay because he is a real leader and still offers a lot on the pitch when fit.

I'd say we're crying out for a box to box midfielder, which it sounds like Doucoure fills this criteria. We also need at least one more experienced midfielder or a top up-and-coming player. The question then is how good are the U23s? Are Boateng, Banks or Wells-Morrison ready to step up and push the seniors?

Personally I think Vieira will want two quality holding midfielders to allow Eze to have more of a free role in front of them.


The short answer re the U23s is 'no, they're not'.
As for another midfield buy option, we could do worse than get Lewis O'Brien from Huddersfield now they aren't going to be promoted.

 

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View ambrose7's Profile ambrose7 Flag Croydon 30 May 22 12.17pm Send a Private Message to ambrose7 Add ambrose7 as a friend

Originally posted by sprites

Unfair. McArthur is an absolute warrior. Kouyate still very important player at this level and Hughes shows signs he will be too. Schluppy isn't a CM, but has never really let us down there. Can we upgrade them? Sure. And hopefully we can. But to call them bang average is simply not true.

Depends how you define bang average. A bang average Premier League player suggests you do alright in a team that finishes around mid-table.

Is that not exactly what Hughes, Kouyate and a 34 year old McArthur are? Usually play but rarely outstanding (for McArthur, usually good but rarely fit) in a side that finished 12th?

It's the level of Guimaraes, Moutinho, Neves, Ward-Prowse, Phillips, Eriksen, McGinn, Ndidi that give you a chance of breaking the top 10 - good Premier League players. Eze is the only central midfielder (loose definition) we currently own that would get any game time in the top 8 sides.

Then you have the outstanding level (De Bruyne, Gundogan, Fabinho, Thiago, Jorginho) that manage to make the good ones look comparatively poor.

 


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Originally posted by doombear


The short answer re the U23s is 'no, they're not'.
As for another midfield buy option, we could do worse than get Lewis O'Brien from Huddersfield now they aren't going to be promoted.

You're probably right, but with the new 5 subs rule the U23s might stand more of a chance of getting a few minutes here and there. Maybe in the senior environment one or two might step up and shine? Midfield definitely seems to be the area that will need investment though as well as another centre-back (especially if Kouyate does go). There was also a story a few days ago about Tomkins leaving the ground after finding out Ward would be replacing Guehi and not him. Given his age he might also want a move as he's not going to dislodge Andersen and Guehi.

 

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