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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 11 Jun 22 11.07am Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

[Link] I just now read that too. How sad.

 

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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 11 Jun 22 11.21am Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

[Link] I just now read that too. How sad.

Yep, Pete53 posted it last night, but I read the same piece as you this morning.

Tragic though these accidents are, I do wonder how much longer they'll be able to keep this spectacle running until the do-gooders have their say.

 


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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 11 Jun 22 11.31am Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

Yep, Pete53 posted it last night, but I read the same piece as you this morning.

Tragic though these accidents are, I do wonder how much longer they'll be able to keep this spectacle running until the do-gooders have their say.

Yes, I guess that's the question that comes up in any sport that has an element of danger. Same with boxing and so on. There are tragic situations, but other than ramping up the safety side, ultimately people should be ask have a degree of autonomy in terms of risk. Banning events or sports just results in less regulated versions of the same thing..

 

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Originally posted by BlueJay

Yes, I guess that's the question that comes up in any sport that has an element of danger. Same with boxing and so on. There are tragic situations, but other than ramping up the safety side, ultimately people should be ask have a degree of autonomy in terms of risk. Banning events or sports just results in less regulated versions of the same thing..

There may come a time when you have to pay for hospital treatment for injuries from dangerous pursuits.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 11 Jun 22 1.19pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

[Link] I just now read that too. How sad.

Iím surprised they published the video phone footage of the sidecar on fire just after the sidecar crashed killing the French guy. Tv never used to show motorsport accidents that resulted in death. Most of them you never saw the incident again.

 


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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 11 Jun 22 1.24pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Iím surprised they published the video phone footage of the sidecar on fire just after the sidecar crashed killing the French guy. Tv never used to show motorsport accidents that resulted in death. Most of them you never saw the incident again.

Yes, that's in bad taste really. Rubbernecking at horrible situations like this is unnecesary when the description is more than enough. Horrible for the family to have this out there, let alone posted on high profile news sites ..

 

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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Iím surprised they published the video phone footage of the sidecar on fire just after the sidecar crashed killing the French guy. Tv never used to show motorsport accidents that resulted in death. Most of them you never saw the incident again.

Generally that was so, but they didn't hold back on showing footage of British racer Roger Williamson trapped in his over-turned burning car at Zandvoort in 1973.I believe they justified this in that it showed fellow Brit David Purley making an heroic attempt to right the car and rescue Williamson whilst inept marshals looked on. Sadly Purley's efforts were to no avail and Williamson perished.

 

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Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

Yep, Pete53 posted it last night, but I read the same piece as you this morning.

Tragic though these accidents are, I do wonder how much longer they'll be able to keep this spectacle running until the do-gooders have their say.

It's OK , it's almost exclusively white males being killed. If it were a minority group, perhaps then authorities might step in

 


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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 11 Jun 22 6.32pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Originally posted by Pete53

Generally that was so, but they didn't hold back on showing footage of British racer Roger Williamson trapped in his over-turned burning car at Zandvoort in 1973.I believe they justified this in that it showed fellow Brit David Purley making an heroic attempt to right the car and rescue Williamson whilst inept marshals looked on. Sadly Purley's efforts were to no avail and Williamson perished.

This was a sickening accident for sure, like you say Pete, the Marshalls were tragically slow to react.

Unfortunately, there are far too many films of fatal motor racing accidents, especially in the 60s when the cars were so fragile and safety was not a priority. I vividly remember Lorenzo Bandini's horrific fireball at Monaco in 1967. [Link]

The next year, 1968, I hitchhiked to Rouen for the French GP and the unfortunate Jo Schlesser perished in the Honda built with lots of highly flammable magnesium. Although I didnít see the accident, the atmosphere around the place was very sombre. [Link]

If you bother to watch these two clips you'll see clearly how the racing continued with cars driving carefully round the wreckage while the drivers in the stricken cars painfully lost their lives.


Edited by Palace Old Geezer (11 Jun 2022 6.34pm)

 


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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 11 Jun 22 10.12pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

This was a sickening accident for sure, like you say Pete, the Marshalls were tragically slow to react.

Unfortunately, there are far too many films of fatal motor racing accidents, especially in the 60s when the cars were so fragile and safety was not a priority. I vividly remember Lorenzo Bandini's horrific fireball at Monaco in 1967. [Link]

The next year, 1968, I hitchhiked to Rouen for the French GP and the unfortunate Jo Schlesser perished in the Honda built with lots of highly flammable magnesium. Although I didnít see the accident, the atmosphere around the place was very sombre. [Link]

If you bother to watch these two clips you'll see clearly how the racing continued with cars driving carefully round the wreckage while the drivers in the stricken cars painfully lost their lives.


Edited by Palace Old Geezer (11 Jun 2022 6.34pm)

You use words like "sickening", "tragic"(ally), "horrific", "unfortunate" etc, yet in your opening post you are all nostalgic about the demise of traditional racing, with the TT being the last of the line.

 


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View Pete53's Profile Pete53 Flag Hassocks 11 Jun 22 10.56pm Send a Private Message to Pete53 Add Pete53 as a friend

Originally posted by YT

You use words like "sickening", "tragic"(ally), "horrific", "unfortunate" etc, yet in your opening post you are all nostalgic about the demise of traditional racing, with the TT being the last of the line.

I might seem contradictory but it is the reality race fans face - of course more so in the past when racing was more dangerous.It was/is possible to love the sport but hate its cruelty.

I think all fans who saw racing back in the 70s and before face this dilemma of on the one hand having memories of wonderful cars racing on spectacular circuits, but on the other knowing that the very nature of these cars and circuits took a high toll.

Edited by Pete53 (12 Jun 2022 12.59pm)

 

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Originally posted by Pete53

I might seem contradictory but it is the reality race fans face - of course more so in the past when racing was more dangerous.It was/is possible to love the sport but hate its cruelty.

I think all fans who saw racing back in the 70s and before face this dilemma of on the one hand having memories of wonderful cars racing on specular circuits, but on the other knowing that the very nature of these cars and circuits took a high toll.

Good point. I just wonder where it used to (or still does in the case of the TT) cross the line into enjoying the carnage. Let's face it; "racing cars drive peacefully around a circuit with no problems" ain't going to sell any newspapers or draw any internet hits, but "driver and spectators killed in spectacular horror crash" certainly will.

 


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