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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 11 Jun 22 4.15pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

I used to be a member of a green group. They advocated a "Herod Policy" of killing the first-born of every family and had the most distasteful personal hygiene standards: almost Germanic

I do tend to see them as attention-seekers who are well on 'the spectrum'. Just look at Chris Packham.

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"A row has broken out between naturalist Chris Packham and a council after an area of wildflowers was cut down.

The TV presenter criticised Derbyshire Dales District Council on Twitter for mowing an area near Matlock's Arc Leisure Centre.

He said the issue highlighted by not-for-profit group Little Green Space in a tweet was "maddening".

The council said it did mow part of the site but other areas were left for pollinators." (BBC website 10 June 2022)

If he typifies a protester, I have always considered him to be very much the c-unit. "It's my way or the highway" kind of fella. No compromise at all. And he always has his 'personal issues' (autism/aspergers) to use as a shield from criticism. Well I have Tourette's, and I think Packham is a c-unit.

Packham lives in a relatively isolated dwelling near woodland and has children. Firstly , people like him shouldn't be breeding because children are the biggest net contributors to using the world's resources. Population growth is the single biggest contributor to most of the planets woes. Secondly, I'd want to build affordable housing all around his house, so that less financially able can enjoy the wonders of the countryside, just like that TV presenter who tries to call the shots from his ivory tower.
That'll fiick-'im

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (11 Jun 2022 4.25pm)

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 11 Jun 22 4.19pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by The groover

Going vegan wasn't my point. It was the numbers involved.

We have just hit 8 Billion of us now. 1 Billion in the year 1800. That's a 8 fold increase in 200 years.

In terms of sustainable energy what better than capturing methane and using that to produce energy.

Paddy fields in china produce a huge amount of methane.

In the 1800ís the average life span was 40 now itís around 75.
Put technology and medicine in the mix and in reality we should be at 10 billion. Humans themselves have been very strict subconsciously. Finance or the type of society we live in has probably limited the population growth. It wonít exponentially increase as it has in the last 200 years due to the above factors.

 

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View georgenorman's Profile georgenorman Flag 11 Jun 22 4.25pm Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

In the 1800ís the average life span was 40 now itís around 75.
Put technology and medicine in the mix and in reality we should be at 10 billion. Humans themselves have been very strict subconsciously. Finance or the type of society we live in has probably limited the population growth. It wonít exponentially increase as it has in the last 200 years due to the above factors.

Life span figure from the past are distorted by the very high death rates among children, most adults usually made it to their 60s.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 11 Jun 22 4.26pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

You do often seem to need something to latch onto, in an 'they're out to get us' or 'this is the final straw' sense. I think that's just how you function as a human being rather than an accurate appraisal of those you critique. There are those at the extremes of course, as with anything but most belief systems, including this are a broad church, rather than everyone foaming at the mouth.

Edited by BlueJay (11 Jun 2022 2.53pm)

A fair point.

But politics needs salt.

And these Greens are genocidal maniacs. If you ever get a chance, sit down with one and really question them about how they would like the future of humanity to pan out. It ain't pretty.

Edited by Matov (11 Jun 2022 4.27pm)

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 11 Jun 22 5.00pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

I used to be a member of a green group. They advocated a "Herod Policy" of killing the first-born of every family and had the most distasteful personal hygiene standards: almost Germanic

If this is genuinely the case perhaps the authorities will be aware (I know they monitor far left green groups, not just radical islam and dissident right types [Link] though something tells me Caroline Lucas isn't about to attack someone with a cucumber - other than herself when she's in the mood). Or do they avoid issues on some kind of technicality that they're not actually personally theatening anyone and just stating an anti humanity view?

In any case, again I'd say that most of those with a genuine interest in the environment and natural world aren't nutters in the making. There are unpalatable fringes to all political and ideological takes and they are often the loudest.

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I do tend to see them as attention-seekers who are well on 'the spectrum'. Just look at Chris Packham.

[Link]

"A row has broken out between naturalist Chris Packham and a council after an area of wildflowers was cut down.

If he typifies a protester, I have always considered him to be very much the c-unit. "It's my way or do one" kind of fella. No compromise at all.

In a sense I admire Packham's passion for nature. The guy has been targetted in routinely threatening ways, with dead animals being tied to his property gates and so on. This is hardly 'less' full on than anything he does or believes. The obsessive and detail orientated nature may indeed be in part due to him having aspergers, but I wouldn't say it's directed in a particularly horrendous way all things considered even if you don't take to him personally. You touch on an important topic though, as a startling number of those who become radicalised (which is clearly as uncompromising in perspective as you can get) are on the spectrum [Link] . Often young people. Parents should mindfully factor this reality in and direct focus to passions that can readily be harnessed to positive effect. The wayward political and religious takes of various shades that the above succumbed to likely did them no favours, but then in this internet age it may have often happened entirely unbeknownst to others anyway. A sad state of affairs.


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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 11 Jun 22 5.02pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

A fair point.

But politics needs salt.

And these Greens are genocidal maniacs. If you ever get a chance, sit down with one and really question them about how they would like the future of humanity to pan out. It ain't pretty.

Edited by Matov (11 Jun 2022 4.27pm)

A fair point also. I know plenty who are nature and environment orientated, but none are what you'd call activist types. I tend to zone out and opt out of such types of all shades because it;s a one way conversation. No doubt if I chatted to one of these full on types, it would fast frustrate and turn into a conversation I didnt want to be part of.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 11 Jun 22 5.23pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

Life span figure from the past are distorted by the very high death rates among children, most adults usually made it to their 60s.

I googled it and those were the numbers and age.
It wasnít an average as far as I read.

 

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View The groover's Profile The groover Flag Danbury 11 Jun 22 6.06pm Send a Private Message to The groover Add The groover as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

In the 1800ís the average life span was 40 now itís around 75.
Put technology and medicine in the mix and in reality we should be at 10 billion. Humans themselves have been very strict subconsciously. Finance or the type of society we live in has probably limited the population growth. It wonít exponentially increase as it has in the last 200 years due to the above factors.

Things don't seem to be slowing at all other than Europe. 4 billion to 6 billion. 25 years. 6 billion to 8 billion 22 years.

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 14 Jun 22 11.05am Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

In a sense I admire Packham's passion for nature. The guy has been targetted in routinely threatening ways, with dead animals being tied to his property gates and so on. This is hardly 'less' full on than anything he does or believes. The obsessive and detail orientated nature may indeed be in part due to him having aspergers, but I wouldn't say it's directed in a particularly horrendous way all things considered even if you don't take to him personally. You touch on an important topic though, as a startling number of those who become radicalised (which is clearly as uncompromising in perspective as you can get) are on the spectrum [Link] . Often young people. Parents should mindfully factor this reality in and direct focus to passions that can readily be harnessed to positive effect. The wayward political and religious takes of various shades that the above succumbed to likely did them no favours, but then in this internet age it may have often happened entirely unbeknownst to others anyway. A sad state of affairs.


Edited by BlueJay (11 Jun 2022 5.39pm)

Turns out he did a documentary about his condiiton [Link]
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A good opportunity to understand and emphasise with others, that way we better see where his passion for nature emerges from (or as one poster fairly said and why he might rub some up the wrong way!). It's sometimes touching, others easy to see the real challenges and peculiarities he is having to navigate.

Like I say, better for him to take a path of care for nature, rather than something, say, politically or religiously unconscionable. He may spur those on a similar position to take up an interest that adds to their community rather than burdens it and I can think of worse things to get pied pipered with.. I doubt those repeatedly stringing up dead animals on his gates give two figs about any of this but of course, some people are hate and belittlement geared, while others are more able to appreciate and do right by those around them. When you think of how many are without even a hobby, let alone a passion, there is something to be said for where he's got to despite his challenges.

Edited by BlueJay (14 Jun 2022 11.41am)

 

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View The groover's Profile The groover Flag Danbury 14 Jun 22 12.41pm Send a Private Message to The groover Add The groover as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

I used to be a member of a green group. They advocated a "Herod Policy" of killing the first-born of every family and had the most distasteful personal hygiene standards: almost Germanic :

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (11 Jun 2022 4.25pm)

As someone who is 1/8th German I'm offended by that comment.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 14 Jun 22 1.51pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

I used to be a member of a green group. They advocated a "Herod Policy" of killing the first-born of every family and had the most distasteful personal hygiene standards: almost Germanic

I do tend to see them as attention-seekers who are well on 'the spectrum'. Just look at Chris Packham.

[Link]

"A row has broken out between naturalist Chris Packham and a council after an area of wildflowers was cut down.

The TV presenter criticised Derbyshire Dales District Council on Twitter for mowing an area near Matlock's Arc Leisure Centre.

He said the issue highlighted by not-for-profit group Little Green Space in a tweet was "maddening".

The council said it did mow part of the site but other areas were left for pollinators." (BBC website 10 June 2022)

If he typifies a protester, I have always considered him to be very much the c-unit. "It's my way or the highway" kind of fella. No compromise at all. And he always has his 'personal issues' (autism/aspergers) to use as a shield from criticism. Well I have Tourette's, and I think Packham is a c-unit.

Packham lives in a relatively isolated dwelling near woodland and has children. Firstly , people like him shouldn't be breeding because children are the biggest net contributors to using the world's resources. Population growth is the single biggest contributor to most of the planets woes. Secondly, I'd want to build affordable housing all around his house, so that less financially able can enjoy the wonders of the countryside, just like that TV presenter who tries to call the shots from his ivory tower.
That'll fiick-'im

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (11 Jun 2022 4.25pm)

Let's face it - you did it for a shag.

 


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Red and Blue Army!

He decked a bin dipper - respect.

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